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I understand, but let's call it preterism just so we're all on the same page about what we are talking about. I will note that there are indeed different flavors of preterism, but the fall of Satan "like lightning" ,at or before the crucifixion, at least necessitates a partial adherence to...

So you believe in Preterism?

Thanks for sharing your opinion. So what verses demonstrate that Satan has fell like lightning already as opposed to what I have provided that demonstrates he hasn't fell like lightning yet?

So let's assume people are born with a sin nature. They don't start sinning until when?

I disagree because for what you're saying to be true would require an adherence to full or partial preterism to be accurate. I personally am a futurist. The falling of Satan like lightning doesn't happen until a future time. Revelation 12 places this before the great tribulation. This is what...

Do you think Jesus could have been speaking of a vision with his words in Luke 10:18. Because it seems he is speaking in the present tense, but Revelation 12 says the war in heaven and the casting of the devil down to earth doesn't happen until before the beginning of the great tribulation. So...

yes exactly and the beginning reader or casual reader may not immediately find the difference based on word usage. I believe it's a conspiracy since they did deliberately decide to translate and publish the Bible the way it is in the majority of English versions. The strategy is to at least...

It's a conspiracy.

Which one of God's commandments did God create people breaking? If they have a sin nature then there should be some sin with this too.

Once again, not what Scripture plainly states. People are fearfully and wonderfully made. In your theology, it would seem people are made totally depraved. God is making people totally depraved and then holding them accountable for it? Your theology shifts all of the blame onto God for peoples'...

Mothers are adults who have no doubt sinned by the time they had children. Doesn't say the child was born a sinner. Even Mary was a sinner, perhaps not a severe one, but surely all by the time they are an adult have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, even Mary.

How about James? James 1 13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin...

Initially made wonderfully and without sin then after that later on got corrupted.

I think it also depends which part of the Bible they are saying is God's word too. Some of it is more like commentary like 1 Cor. 7:12 for example. And yes there are issues understanding what context it applies to exactly. We weren't there to be like "Hey Jesus, can you clarify what you said...

The Bible isn't God though. If you have made the Bible your god then that's textbook idolatry, no pun intended.

yes I agree and no problem there. As Jesus said, "man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God" and I love that, but just so it's clear that the Bible still isn't God I think we're fine.

From my perspective, I think people idolize the Bible because they have possibly misunderstood that the Word of God is actually God. Then the Bible is referred to as the word of God. Therefore the Bible is mistaken to be God. "The Word is God" and the "word of God" are used in different senses...

The Original sin doctrine posits that humans inherit a predisposition to be sinners, essentially born with a sin gene, and some even say that it means people are born sinning straightaway from the womb; yet children are not born violating any commandments nor have the capacity to since they...

Perseverance of the saints or once saved always saved (OSAS) basically comes down to that it is someone is saved until if they lose faith. Then the reason for their apostasy isn't that they lost faith, but rather never had true saving faith in the first place; they weren't of the elect. It's a...

Curious what your take is on Original Sin. Calvin's TULIP relies on that theory being accurate or else the entire doctrine falls apart.