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  1. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    How can the rapture/resurrection event be Postrib, is it is after God's wrath is poured out ? The rapture/resurrection event is before God's wrath is poured out. Deuteronomy 30:2-6 is the gathering of the elect, of the children of Israel, from the nations of the world to the land of their...
  2. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The Deuteronomy 30:2-6 event is the Mark 13:27 and Matthew 24:31 event - the gathering of the elect. Since both @Spiritual Israel and @WPM both disagree with that point, it is up to them to explain when the Deuteronomy 30:2-6 event takes place.
  3. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The world saying "peace and safety" will be before the beginning of the Day of the Lord. And before the beginning of the great tribulation.
  4. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The proof text I provided in my post 1352 and 1353, is that the rapture is in both 1Thessalonians4:15-18 and 1Thessalonians5:9-11 to take place before the wrath of God takes place. Just because the great tribulation is not specifically mentioned in either text is irrelevant. btw, you and...
  5. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    You question is presumptive - i.e. your description of the time of God's wrath as being "a tribulation period". The correct terminology is "the great tribulation" as being when God's wrath will be poured out upon the earth. Matthew 24:For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not...
  6. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Did I write that there was a 7 year tribulation in my posts 1352 and 1353 nor in my post #1367 ? No, I did not. The rapture/resurrection event will take place - any time before the transgression of desolation act of 2Thessalonians2:4.
  7. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    1Thessalonians4:15-18 and 1Thesslaonians5:9-11 are in all bible translations. Perhaps, you should work on your communications. Instead of saying "it", say precisely what you are referring to.
  8. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    A quick review of events....in order. First the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39. Then, right after it, is the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9. Coinciding with the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27. Then, the beginning of the false messianic age, the world saying peace and safety, as the Antichrist...
  9. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The text of 1Thessalons4:15-18 and 1Thesslaonians5:9-11 can be seen in either a hard copy of the King James Bible. Or at this link for the King James bible. Which is where I do my copying and pasting from. https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Thessalonians-Chapter-4/...
  10. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    For you, I am sure it gets to be frustrating. In my posts 1352 and 1353, I used scripture to interpret scripture. The burden is now on you and @WPM to explain when Deuteronomy 30:2-8 will take place. Not only is Mark 13:27 and Matthew 24:31 is when Deuteronomy 30:2-8 will take place, but...
  11. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The proof text of the timing is before the great tribulation when God's wrath is poured out is in 1Thessalonians5:9-11. 1Thessalonians4;15-18 is text that there will be a rapture/resurrection event.
  12. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The rapture/resurrection event is before the great tribulation, when God's wrath will be poured out, begins (see my post #1353). Differently, the gathering of the elect is after the great tribulation is over. So the rapture/resurrection event can not be the gathering of the elect in Matthew 24:31.
  13. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The scriptual proof that the rapture/resurrection event will be before the great tribulation, when God's wrath will be poured out, is in 1Thessalonians5:9-11. Paul has just wrote about the rapture/resurrection event in 1Thessalonians4:15-18, regarding the dead in Christ (i.e. them who sleep)...
  14. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Are Matthew 24:31 and Mark 13:27 the same event ? Yes, course. Matthew 24:31 and Mark 13:27 and Deuteronomy 30:2-6 are all talking about the same event. (if not, then that leaves you to explain when Deuteronomy 30:2-6 will take place.) Go to Deuteronomy 30:1-6. Understanding what is...
  15. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    There are not a group of angels coming with Jesus to participate in the raising of the dead in Christ, nor the translation of the living. God The Father sends Jesus.
  16. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    The day and hour of rapture/resurrection event will be directed from God the Father to Jesus, as to being the actual trigger for the event to take place. Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. And then when carrying out God the...
  17. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Go outside and look straight up into the sky (assuming it is not cloudy outside). And then start lowering your eyes, following the sky. When the sky reaches the horizon where sky and earth meet - that is the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost post of heaven juncture. Then...
  18. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    If we were in heaven, discussing the topic, maybe I would say the resurrection/rapture. But since we who are alive right on earth are discussing it, I choose to say rapture/resurrection, as it should be of upmost importance to us. And the topic deals with the Pre-trib rapture.
  19. Douggg

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    You rephrased what I wrote. Here is what I wrote..... The expression "from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" means gather the elect from all directions, inclusive of everywhere, even from the most extreme places. It is the same expression used in Deuteronomy 30:4...
  20. Douggg

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    No, not 70 ad. The AoD in Daniel 12:11 is time of the end, the latter days, Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. In Daniel 10:14, the angel who visited Daniel is the one speaking in Daniel 12. In Daniel 10:14, that...