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That passage, I read, was not like...if you love me you will do what I say...But because of Love.... 1st Timothy 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith and love which are in Christ Jesus.

I do not believe we can come to God any kind of way....God I believes wants obedience over sacrifice...another words you can present an offering but if your heart is not right in doing it does it really mean anything.... You know like in a relationship.. a man who cheated...comes back and buys...

Hebrews 4:11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. Those who believe enter... But what kept the others out? They did not mix what they head with faith

For myself having been an OSASer..what I found is ...it was a doctrine that I trusted.. believing I had the right beliefs. And what it brought about is pride and boastful atitude. And if you look at the passages...there is no boasting in Christ.... So you shouldn't trust the doctrine[belief...

Did Jesus mean what OSAS stands for That you can be a Christian and not a disciple?

Right...A Christian ....really means a follower of Christ. But it has been changed to mean...those who believe something Jesus did so they can have heaven when they physically die. Instead of those that Trust Jesus following Him in taking up our cross...

Also...I wanted to show this in the kjv Because it says through Christ Jesus... Like I said earlier I started a thread so that we can learn...why it's important in the context...the diff between Christ Jesus and Jesus Christ..... And the difference is one is referring to His life before the...

Now let's see why he came and why He saves us. And you answer for yourself....from passages.... 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. Is this passage talking about heaven when one...

Instead of arguments...I'm going to go to passages.... Ephesian 2 for example: And asked what does scripture say one is saved from.....do not add to it... What is the grace? The unearned favor we cannot do by ourselves? And whose faith is verse 8 referring to. And what does "through" mean...

Good information...I have to read this again... OSAS CAN BE LIKEN TO AN IDOL BECAUSE IN IT ONE CAN MAKE SCRIPTURE SAY WHAT THEY DESIRE. AND YOU CANNOT PUT THIS BEFORE GOD YOU SHOULD HAVE NO IDOLS... "The gospel is the good news of the availability and the presence of life in the kingdom of God...

For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones). Your statement made me think of this passage above

So with what was written in the post above In Christ we are given everything we need for this Life. Another words Christ has already overcome this world. He is, First, our regeneration- our new life given to those who believe He is who was proclaimed by the father through the prophets. But...

Here is the real question....and if you can find a scripture...I will rethink my thinking? Where in Scripture does it say...He saved us so that we can have heaven when we physically die? And...in EPHESIANS 2:8 which we should all go back and look at the context......what is the saving from...

Hi, do you believe there is a difference between eternal life and life eternal? Jesus Christ and Christ Jesus Holy ghost and holy Spirit Please give clear explanation. This thread can be a place to study, present studied arguements, and share in Love. Peace and Blessings

Most of the issues get started when someone says something and someone takes it personal....Then here comes the talking at, or talking down to. I apologize for anything I have said that was offensive....This was a lesson...to discuss scripture rather than get caught up in drama.

Osas is not the Gospel...Trust Jesus

tu reçois ce que tu donnes...(a kind of way of saying Love)

Of course it is illogical to you. You only filter through OSAS doctrine....If you love, many hearts will be softened, and I pray even yours. Amen!

Well I'll tell you my thoughts...I am sure they are not all pieced together perfectly so you are welcome to correct me if I go astray. First let me start with the old Covenant and what I think I know... The coverings were for people who regarded the law...anybody who despised it by the...

Hi, I think the question should be.... What is one saved from.... Because sanctification is about being set apart for the work of God, then the saving as we journey on earth is about deliverence from actual sin.