Search results

You believe He controls their free wills, is that correct? If so, what are their wills free from?

I've considered your position more. So that is, you do not consider limiting the freedom of the will to be a violation of the free will. Is that correct? Considering the apparent free will of man, can that which exists by God's power be violated by God's power? Can that which exists by God's...

That you think God can be a liar hints at the amount of reverence you have for Him. What do you mean about God being upset? Perhaps if we define 'upset' and work from there then things might make sense for you.

So you do not consider taking away effectual free will as violating free will, is that correct? Do you think that man's will depends on God's power to exist?

DNB, were my questions not worthy of answering? I can just as easily say that the Levitical Law was meaningful, and the decree to be obedient and 'holy as He is holy' was completely meaningful and amazing. The death penalty for adultery, murder and breaking the Sabbath would be meaningful and...

I don't think I fully understand. Is that yes as in it would have not been spectacular?

I appreciate you being in the conversation, even as you entered casually. I think there was no harm done, and we're all here discussing.

Are the children depending on the power of their parents to exist? If not, then the children certainly do have a sense of free will relative to their parents, and I grant that the parents would have a sense of control over their children. Do you believe that both the children and the parents...

Sure we are, but not necessarily. When you say: - "nothing spectacular in being sovereign, when you have everyone hard-wired to do your will" Do you not mean that there is nothing spectacular in being sovereign when nothing is there with ability to deny your will? If that is what you mean...

Thanks for clarifying. If He does not control some of man's choices, then He does not control all things. If God doesn't cause people to do evil things, then who does? Scripture to consider: Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all...

Does struggle for God between His creation make more sense than God effortlessly creating and controlling all things for a purpose? Does it seem pointless to create and control for a purpose? Absolutely. He is the lawgiver.

Hi DNB, there is a lot for me to consider here. I do intend on further addressing your post in the near future. In the meantime, I do want to ask you a question, perhaps you can chew on it for a bit before responding if you choose to do so, or you can steer me more into a direction towards your...

Marks, what happened to order and completion? My first and leading thought is that what entails past your first question is a side trail from our main discussion. Since I appreciate them, I began addressing all of your questions before realizing that I have desire to not walk down side trails...

Now I see it in your original message. You believe that God controls man's will in choosing to obey Him or not. Is that correct?

Thanks, I see your edit. Your answer brought much appreciated clarity.

Yes. Do you think that God gave man power that does not depend on God, so that man can use it to think for himself?

Thanks for contributing Prayer Warrior. If neither is true, then in what sense can man make such a choice? and how can he do it if he has no power in himself to think?

Marks, did you notice my question? Perhaps for the sake of a cogent dialog carefully addressing one question before asking another is better than skipping.

- God has determined that He would not determine some of man's thoughts. Is this an accurate summary of your position? I think with reverence that God controls everything.

Thank you Marks. I think it's a solid foundation for discussion. The definitions I chose might cause controversy later on, but they are fitting for my intentions. What do you think about it? Are you specifically inquiring about my position on those doctrines?