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This is a perfect example of why I need to move on.... of course 476 AD was not the time of the end, it was the time when papal Rome would soon come to the top of the 4th beast kingdom.... and he (little horn) would continue until the time of the end...

Dougg, you are absolutely right... I am so frustrated with you.... I simply wanted to DISCUSS Chapter 2 -- and the first thing to discuss was the 4 kingdoms v. your claim of 5... It was you who made a childish remark to the effect "don't start on the papacy... or something to that effect," when...

Dougg, you are so right... I am frustrated with you.. I was willing and able to DISCUSS

This is not about the EU... it is about how God is going to restore and save mankind from being in eternity without Him. This is not a secular issue... He came to sacrifice Himself for our sins... and all you have to do is to look in chapters 7 and 8 and 11 to see what Daniel has recorded that...

I hope you do not mind, but 27b, in my study (just my opinion) does not represent satin...However, I can assure you that you are in very good company with that interpretation... in fact, I would bet the house that 99:99 % of interpreters believe just as you do.....They have determined this...

Yes, I meant chapter 2. Verse 8:24 is ALL ABOUT THE "DIVIDED" KINGDOM OF PAPAL ROME.... Again, there are only 4 kingdoms and the 4th kingdom is indeed pagan Rome (at the time of the Messiah) but they are slain and its body is destroyed and will be succeeded by papal Rome. Greece and pagan Rome...

Exactly. The 4th kingdom was pagan Rome at the time of the Messiah. They were slain and its body was destroyed (7:11), and as they were in steep decline, who was rising in power within Imperial Rome? Only one powerful force - The Christian church had spread throughout the empire... they saw...

This is exactlty why you can not discuss Daniel -you have invested so much of your time and effort putting the above interpretation togther. You are not willing or capable of seeing anything but this invested interpretation... You cannot even entertain that there are 4 and only 4 kingdoms...

Yes, so sorry David... I had to edit it... please forgive me.

No, there are only 4 kingdoms but the 4th kingdom of pagan Rome will be slain and its body destroyed (7:11) around 476 AD. Who could it possibly be the succeeds them? Who represents the "divided" kingdom?" The EU? The Scriptures are about Jesus and His arrival in the last week of the...

This was suppose to be a response to Dougg not David, sorry. You keep repeating YOUR interpretations but do not have any Scripture supporting it. I keep asking you to show me anything that says there is a 5th kingdom... and you keep coming back with nothing but your own theories .. If...

It is but you have made in almost all about the end times... Only the last section of Chapter 11 and all of 12 speak of the true end times - but in a very general way.. Everything before that is up to 476 AD.

Show me where you get this....

Absolutely not. No 5th kingdom... no Scripture for a 5th kingdom... That comes out only of your mind.

You completely ignore the text and decide there is a 5th kingdom and you know very well that Daniel and later Gabriel do not speak of, mention or infer a 5th kingdom. Just because you cut / paste a verse does not prove anything. It is so clear that both Daniel and Gabriel have specifically...

Absolutely not. This is literally all in your head. God specifically identified Babylon as the first, then another AFTER him, then He literally called out a 3rd and a 4th. That was it. If there was a 5th, He would have said so AFTER verse 40, and, He would have said so in 7 and 8. YOU have...

Verses 37 to 40 specifically tell us there are 4 kingdoms. Does verse 39 mention “a 3rd kingdom?” Does verse 40 mention “a 4th kingdom?” Do you see anywhere in Chapter 2 7 or 8 ANY mention of a 5th kingdom?

Common knowledge? What kind of a statement is that? If you look at “today’s accepted interpretations” for most of Daniel, there are at least two separate interpretations by the scholars, academics and theologians! And Caesar is not found in Daniel.

I provided you the verses and u told you that 32 and 33 revealed that he 4 kingdoms.. Further, I told you that Daniel specifically labeled them as “dream sequence” verses. The verses you are referring too are not “dream sequence” verses but are referred to as “interpretation sequence” verses...

Dougg, I answered your question regarding the 4 kingdoms and the verses where I pulled them from in Daniel.. I think we should pick up there -- you say 5 and I say 4... Let's try and get through this easy part of Chapter 2