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And you are conflating a short period of time, a little season, with a long period of time, a thousand years. Not only are you doing that, from what I can tell you also have this little season beginning 2000 years ago, pretty much where you have the thousand years beginning, and that you have...

I didn't think it was relevant at the time. Therefore, I didn't bother focusing on that part. But since you brought it up, you are insisting that they are already reigning a thousand years before they are martyred, regardless that the text is telling us that they can't even reign with Christ...

If Amil made sense Amil would agree with the chronology of events pertaining to the 42 month reign of the beast, the 2nd coming, and where the thousand years fit in relation to these things. Fact 1. The 42 month reign of the beast has to precede the 2nd coming in the end of this age. Fact 2...

How can this little season that you already agree is not meaning satan's little season, not be pertaining to any of the following? Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread...

This is interesting for certain. I don't know if it helps me yet since I need time to consider it first by thinking through what you submitted. I plan on doing that though, just not sure when. I tend to get side tracked a lot and that something I was intending to do gets put on hold in the meantime.

Who do a lot of people, maybe you as well, rely on besides what is recorded in the Bible to give an account of what happened in those days? Is it not Josephus the historian that some people look to to give an eyewitness account of those events at the time? Did he ever mention anything in his...

After all this time I finally grasp where you are coming from and why. Better late than never, I guess. Let's try and figure some things out here here then, based on the text itself. Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain...

Per this scenario this would indicate that these cast into the LOF can never die the 2nd death if they are in immortal bodies, thus everlasting conscious torment . The question is, how did they obtain these immortal bodies to begin with when there are no Scriptures indicating that the unsaved...

These ages you keep referring to, what is that all about? You lost me, that's all I know. I have no clue what you are meaning by these 7 ages.

Which comes first? The war in heaven? Or the casting of satan to the earth? Obviously, the former. What then does the text reveal satan sets out to do once he sees he has been cast out unto the earth? Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and...

I hear you. Things like that have crossed my mind as well. Though, I believe in free will, apparently in regards to some, they don't seem to possess free will. Because, like you pointed out, the fact satan can read the Scriptures too, all he would have to do is refuse to do something that...

What I am saying is, events such as Noah's flood affected pretty much everyone on the planet while great tribulation will only be affecting the church, thus not everyone on the planet. Per my view great tribulation parallels the time of the 42 month reign of the beast. It will be those that...

And yet here is some more of your logic I can't seem to grasp, that how a one time only event can have a dual fulfillment?

You are comparing apples to oranges. Nothing pertaining to Noah's flood was involving tribulation, it was involving judgment and wrath, God's wrath. As to great tribulation, it is not involving God's wrath and judgment if it it pertaining to great tribulation involving the church. God's wrath...

Yet, I don't grasp some of the logic you are using here though I do agree with some of it. As to great tribulation, there is only going to be one, not two, where one was involving unbelieving Jews in the first century, the other involving the church. What happened to the Jews per 70 AD has zero...

Without this event happening first, the first resurrection, they don't live and reign with Christ yet. I'm pretty sure even you would agree with that. It then is a matter of determining what is meant by the first resurrection and when it is meaning in relation to the thousand years. Verse 4...

While that is true, I already said they didn't even realize that they were actually wishing a blessing in disguise upon them and their children, unless that you want to argue that it is bad thing in general, for His blood to be upon someone. If His blood is not upon you, for instance, then He...

Every Preterist(meaning Partial not Full Preterists in this case) I have ever discussed/debated these things with, none of them think Christ returned in 70 AD. That is not how they are applying that coming. They are applying that coming as a coming in judgment against unbelieving Jews. But even...

Using logic like you are using would be like saying since Revelation 20 already records satan getting cast into the LOF, this can't happen in the future since John already saw this happen in the past during these visions. Take the following, for example. Ezekiel 39:8 Behold, it is come, and...

Are you meaning me or you when you say this?---As a preterist ~ or at least leaning that way. If meaning me, if you knew me from this other board where I know a lot of members in here from, and that if you were aware of my posts over there, you would know I'm basically somewhat anti-Preterist...