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The way I tend to reason this, when it comes to years in particular, the pattern throughout the Bible seems to be, that every time a number is followed by years, it is always meaning in the literal sense. Some random examples. Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a...

The problem is that you think you have found a way around verse 37 in particular. Jeremiah 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD...

The only way I see that being logical is if the GWTJ takes place outside of time. But then that presents a problem with John 12:48 if that verse involves the GWTJ. That verse says the judgment is in the last day. In the realm pertaining to outside of time there couldn't possibly be a last day. A...

On other boards when this subject is brought up, I usually ask Amils what does all of that mean once he is loosed, though? Let's look at some of the things you submitted that are applicable to when he is bound according to Amils such as yourself. 1) preventing the spread of the Gospel to to all...

I just did a Google search and the following link was one of the results. Don't know if the link will be helpful to you or not. There are some other results as well, but I haven't checked any of them. What I searched on Google was this... Bible translation father of the coming age...

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Depending on how one might look at this, one way would be ludricrous, the other way wouldn't be...

A cpl of things about this. For one, Amils typically have satan bound at the cross or soon thereafter, yet Jesus was already doing these things before Amil even has satan bound. And another thing, once satan is bound he stays bound the entire thousand years. So in what way would what you bring...

These are probably your strongest points against Amil, the fact that it is plainly obvious to a lot of us that verse 4 and 5 involve Christ's bodily return in the end of this age, and that verses 16-19 are meaning post His return. And that these in verses 16-19 are not meaning the saved who put...

What they don't seem to study, is reality. In the real world satanic deception is still taking place and has never stopped taking place. Which seems rather bizarre if satan is supposed to be in the pit, which means he is unable to deceive the nations at the time. Yet, according to reality...

Do you see that as a bad thing or something? I would think they would want His blood upon them and their children. Granted, they apparently didn't realize they were actually wishing a blessing in disguise upon them and their children when they said that. Every professed Christian should already...

IOW, you are a SDA. But I should have realized that from your sig since I know who EGW is meaning. It apparently went over my head at the time. I have nothing against SDAs. Lot of things I tend to agree with SDAs about. I don't agree with the SDA interpretation of the millennium, though. But at...

That's an interesting way of looking at it. But even so, first we are told this in 1 Cor 15. 1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then we are told this. 1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he...

The way I tend to reason some of this, all enemies are already being put under His feet, as in on ongoing endeavor that initially got underway 2000 years ago, and continues to be an ongoing endeavor even once He has returned, and that it will take another thousand years, plus a little season...

As to the OP, I guess what I'm basically trying to say is this. If the end meant can't even happen until after the great white throne judgment, and that outside of time an end makes zero sense, this indicates that the great white throne judgment happens within 'time' as how we perceive time, not...

How can the end meant not occur within measurable time? IOW, how can outside of time have an end to it? How does that make sense? Isn't that the only other option? That if the end meant does not occur within measurable time, it therefore occurs outside of time?

Let me ask some of this another way. Keeping in mind the title of this thread and the OP. Whenever Christ returns, whatever moment of the day that ends up being, do some of you think the clocks stop working, as in 'time' is something that can no longer be measured? Why this might matter, some of...

Speaking for myself, I tend to think Matthew 25 disagrees with you since that judgment is before or at the beginning of the thousand years, and that it indicates that the goats go into everlasting punishment, obviously meaning the LOF. IOW, the goats meant in Matthew 25 won't be at the great...

Obviously though, God stepped into time 2000 years ago when He left heaven then was born on the earth and dwelled here for a few decades. Do you reason that in the same manner that you are reasoning this here?

If I was ignoring you it wasn't intentional and for sure had nothing to do with bringing up A4E. Sometimes I just get in one of those moods where I just kind of drift away and lose interest in a lot of stuff. Eventually that mood wears off. A lot of times I just don't feel good. I'm dizzy a lot...

For the most part I'm basically open to pretty much anything if there is at least sound logic to it. Currently I'm not seeing how the end meant in 1 Corinthians 15:24 could be meaning within 24 hours of His return though. In my view the end meant in that verse can't even happen until after the...