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You might want to ask the locusts that once they are released from there, whatever these locust things might be. Referring to Revelation 9 of course. All I know is, that while they are in the pit, the same pit satan will be in, it's as if they don't even exist. If satan is currently in this same...

BTW, nothing you have submitted here is anything new to me, but it might be new to others that don't know you from other boards. I don't recall how I responded to this when you posted this on another board in the past, but the following is how I choose to respond to it now. You want us to...

But then 70 AD eventually happened, right? Did that event not cause Christians to leave the area? Which would mean this gives a way for the gospel to spread beyond this region if Christians that were in that region are now in other regions outside of this one. Even if satan was bound when Amils...

Roger, one reason why some of us can't get on board with the first advent being what binds satan, is because what the first advent does to satan is permanent and can't be reversed. The thousand years are not permanent. Which would mean that anything the 1st advent did to cause satan to be bound...

Speaking of Revelation 12 the fact it covers the past 2000 years and then some, the same 2000 years Amils insist satan is bound in the pit, that should mean we should be able to pinpoint in Revelation 12 when he is initially bound and when he is initially loosed. Except I don't see anything in...

Let's look at some of this from the following perspective, focusing on the following phrase per the KJV in this case---no more. That exact phrase is found in the following verses in Revelation. Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the...

Still hard to imagine, the fact it's involving the deceiving of all nations, that the father of deception, satan himself, played no role in anything pertaining to what is recorded in Revelation 18. If you want to believe that, that's fine, but I sure see no reason to believe that, that satan is...

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Revelation 20:1 And I saw an...

satan is never caged in Babylon per Premil if Babylon is already no more by the time he is caged. By caged, you are meaning in the bottomless pit, right? If yes, the fact Christ will have returned, saved saints co ruling with Him, those that were deceived yet spared, would not still be deceived...

Roger, I don't know if you realize it or not, but you and I have been knowing each other for quite some time now, since the days of that Bibleforums board you and I were members of a long time ago. Then I encountered you on another board recently that both you and I are members of, except you...

Slowly but surely, it appears to me that we are getting somewhat on the same page here. I liked what you said here in particular---They will judge under the King's authority (of course). IMO, to judge the 12 tribes of Israel is in order to help them do the right things, to make the right...

The fact there is Revelation 18:21 to consider, Babylon can't be meaning the pit per Premil since the pit per Premil still exists after Christ has returned, while Babylon no longer does. Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea...

In the KJV the exact phrase 'heaven above' is found in the following passages. Genesis 49:25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of...

I need time to consider what all you submitted here. In the meantime here is something I have been thinking for a long time. Clearly, a lot of passages in the NT involving prophetic events are compressed, and that Amils are not taking some of that into account. Which could mean a lot of the...

Speaking for myself, I haven't really given much thought to what you raise here. One thing we have to keep in mind, Premil agreess that someone is in the pit in this age, they just don't agree that it is satan. Premil also agrees that this same something in the pit, the beast in this case, that...

Why then do Amils insist chilioi does not mean 1000, that it means any amount except for 1000? That it can even mean 2000, 3000, etc? Because ,after all, aren't Amils applying the thousand years to an undisclosed amount of time? Thus far this thousand years is almost involving 2000 years. Why...

Maybe you are right, maybe you are not. I'm not certain either way. All I know is that I don't interpret judging the 12 tribes of Israel as a bad thing. It clearly has nothing to do with the great white throne judgment, and that it clearly has something to do with after Christ has returned...

You seem to be missing the point. It doesn't matter what 1260 might represent. It doesn't even have to be meaning a literal 1260 days. The point I was making is that it proves that chilioi has to mean exactly 1000 the same way diakosioi means 200 and that hexekonta means 60. IOW, chilioi +...

My bad. I clearly misread it. Don't know why I was bringing up Revelation 11:1-2 when it was Revelation 21 that you were referring to? I'll have to start over then, in regards to trying to address post #59. Don't know when I might get around to it, though.

As to Revelation 11:1-2, it's not involving measuring anything literal, but even if it was, obviously it would not be impossible to measure a literal temple but it would be impossible to measure endlessness. Not sure why you are comparing the 2? If you agreed that heaven above is meaning...