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Ok, thanks for your explanation. Some people have told me Nineveh was an exception and a foreshadowing of the gospel being preached in the New Testament. I can see where Nineveh could be a foreshadow as Jesus refers to Jonah being three days and nights in the whale with Him being three days and...

What is your take on Nineveh? Why wasn’t Satan able to keep the word hidden from them prior to the cross?

Ha, I knew that full preterist was going to come up. You could be right though, that Hymenaeus and Philetus were full preterist claiming all was fulfilled at that time, but at some point, once all scriptures are fulfilled, everyone is going to be full preterist. The big question is how do we...

I agree with the thought that Michael could be Jesus. I also agree that the war in heaven is a court room battle, I don’t think God would allow a chaotic type of battle like we might think of that happens on earth, such as the current war in Israel, which started with a surprise attack. If...

Coming to that conclusion is fine but then you have the problem of Michael not standing up when he fights the dragon. Daniel 12:1 says “at that time shall Michael stand up”. If you place the war in heaven prior to Michael standing up then Michael is not standing up when he fights the dragon...

I agree with that analogy, in Matthew 21:21 Jesus says if we have faith we can say to this mountain, be removed and cast into the sea. In Revelation 13:1-3 the beast rises out of the sea with one of his heads (mountains) healed. Do you see any correlation between these verses?

I don’t think Michael fought against human government, Michael fought the dragon which is another name for Satan, that old serpent, called the Devil. The dragon has seven heads in Revelation 12:3. I do think the heads represent human government of some kind, but just because the dragon has the...

So why didn’t they just look in the graves and see that there were still physical bodies in the graves? That would be the sensible thing to do to prevent the faith of some from being overthrown.

I talked with my friend, here’s what he said, as I understood him. In 2 Timothy 2:18 Paul says “who concerning the truth”. Either the resurrection was the truth or that it had “passed” was the truth, but both couldn’t be true nor can both be false, one is true and one is false. When an Amill...

Yea, I’m not agreeing with my friend. The thing is that Paul doesn’t specifically say if he’s against the idea that the resurrection is already happened or if it’s the idea that there is only one resurrection and the Matthew 27:52-53 resurrection was it or if they had a wrong idea about what the...

That could be, I think the point my friend was trying to make was that Hymenaeus and Philetus got the type of resurrection wrong. Meaning the resurrection couldn’t be <1096> or come into being, the resurrection has to be something that happens at a specific moment in time, not over a span of...

I was thinking that Hymenaeus and Philetus would’ve been looking at passages such as Ezekiel 37 where there is a resurrection in the valley of dry bones and claiming this was fulfilled. The thing that caused me to look at this again was the word “passed” <1096> in 2 Timothy 2:18. I guess I need...

2 Timothy 2:17-18 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. A friend who is Premil brought up these verses to me and said it proves the first...

In Revelation 12:7 it clearly states Michael and his angels fought the dragon. You have the dragon symbolizing human government, then you go on to say Michael doesn’t fight human government but he does fight Satan. Obviously then the dragon is Satan and not human government, regardless of what...

Hold on a minute, you’re saying Michael does not fight the dragon at all, when Revelation 12:7 say he does??? Maybe there won’t be a new heaven or new earth either, just because Revelation 21 says it will come doesn’t make it so, and along with that maybe the lake of fire doesn’t exist either...

Absolutely, we are all learning and sometimes we have to reevaluate some things or admit that we just aren’t certain how to interpret some passages.

Fine, you are in a cornered you can’t get out of without admitting there is an issue with your view. Got it.

So then you don’t think Michael standing up in Revelation 12:1 is when Michael fights the dragon in Revelation 12:7, ok. Does Michael remain seated while fighting the dragon?

I think you’re agreeing that when Michael stands up in Daniel 12:1 that it is the same event as the war in heaven in Revelation 12:7. It also appears you’re placing a gap between Revelation 12:11 and Revelation 12:12, I’m assuming the same gap that’s in the 70 weeks. I personally don’t believe...

Yea, I agree there is only one Michael. The war in heaven in Revelation 12, do you see this as a physical war or as a court room battle? Notice Jude 1:9 is an argument which could’ve taken place before a judge.