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So are there two different Michaels? If there is only one Michael then he stands up or takes a stand/position at a certain point in time in Daniel 12:1. When in time do you suppose he takes that stand?

I don’t think an on going resurrection fits, here’s how I see it. In Daniel 12:1 at that time shall Michael stand up. Here it implies that Michael doesn’t take a standing position until a specific time. In Revelation 12:7 Michael and his angels fight the dragon. There are three options in...

When Jesus says “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me”, do you think the Holy Spirit was forsaken or only Jesus was forsaken?

It could be that Jesus commended the Holy Spirit into the Father’s hands. I think Jesus died alone so maybe this is where the Holy Spirit left Him? I know some people think the Holy Spirit never left Jesus after He was baptized, I’m not trying to debate that, just throwing an idea out there.

An Amil I spoke to some time ago told me there is a symmetry between Jesus and Satan. They both had free access to heaven and earth. Then they are both on earth during the time Jesus was on earth. Satan enters Judas to become spiritual being/man the same as Jesus. Both Jesus and Judas die...

Well, Daniel 12:2 says many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. If this is a spiritual resurrection then it doesn’t match the first resurrection in Revelation 20, because no one at the first resurrection...

Matthew 27:52-53 says “saints” arose so if some are going to everlasting contempt as Daniel 12:2 says then you have saints receiving everlasting contempt. I personally think the word “saints” in some cases can be referring to national Israel but that’s something that is debatable.

It looks like we’re on the same page in regard to Daniel 12:2 and Matthew 27:52-53. In Revelation 12:7 Michael fights the dragon and in Daniel 12:1 at that time shall Michael stand up … and there shall be a time of trouble. I place Revelation 12:7 and Daniel 12:1 happening at the same time as...

I actually do think there could be a link of some kind between John the Baptist and those beheaded in Revelation 20:4. I think JtB is some kind of symbol or type that represents the two witnesses in some way. Here is a list that I have of the similarities between JtB and the two witnesses...

Yea, I’m not sure either. I’m leaning towards it being the Matthew 27:52-53 resurrection but that requires reading things into the text that aren’t there.

That does make sense, what about the resurrection in Daniel 12:2? It does list the resurrection to everlasting life first, then everlasting contempt second, but it looks like it’s considered one resurrection. Where do Premil place this resurrection? After the millennium?

I agree the first resurrection is Christs resurrection. I just don’t think the Amil view of the millennium works. I personally don’t like any of the millennium views and I don’t have some great answer that can solve all the problems. There is a view that basically replaces the word “first...

The word “beheaded” in Revelation 20:4 is only used once and it means to cut off with an axe. I think John the Baptist is the only person in the Bible that was beheaded, but I’m not sure, there might be others. I’ve seen some people suggest that it means circumcision of the heart. I think it is...

Were they killed by the beast?

Ok, got it. When we see something that says “first” we know that there could be others that are truly first but just not first in that chapter of the Bible. Using this logic, looking at Revelation 21:1 it says the first heaven and first earth were passed away. We can know that there very well...

But that’s my whole point, a resurrection after the Matthew 27:52-53 resurrection would make the first resurrection not the first resurrection.

Doesn’t being literally beheaded also cause a problem for Premil? There would be no need to traumatize anyone, in the future an option could easily be given to believers where they could go into a clinic, get anesthetized, and painlessly get their head chopped off. Wouldn’t this be something...

So then if Ezekiel’s temple isn’t in the millennium and it doesn’t physically exist today then there’s two options. 1) it’s only meant figuratively, or 2) it gets built then destroyed prior to the millennium.

Isaiah 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. Ezekiel 44:22 Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is...

So if a believer dies during the millennium they aren’t resurrected? Or would they take part in the second resurrection?