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I don't want to get into an argument about this right now, but I believe there has to be some measure of our willingness and cooperation with the Lord. We are told to deny ourselves, take up our cross and follow Jesus....He is not going to do that for us.

Amen. Just want to highlight this part...EVERY part doing its share...and this way the BODY is edifying ITSELF in love. The church has been doing things man's way, not God's way.

I know what you mean.....think we can ever get it right after 2000 + years? But it isn't so cut and dried, it's a messy business as the Lord knew it would be. Behold, I send you out as sheep among wolves...

I agree in principle, but where do you draw the line though...there are two sides to this story, it seems to me. We have our part in this, exercising our faith, choosing to do right etc. If anyone reminds or exhorts to obey the Lord and heed His warnings in scripture, it often gets assumed or...

Yes, there are those who are approved by men but not by God. Although many can have a gift and calling but be going about it all wrong and/or with wrong doctrine.

Meaning you don't agree with it.

Oh so "the ministry gifts" are still active after all, how good of them to let God do that much...LOL. That's mighty kind of them.:jest: Of course ministry gifts are still active, otherwise they'd be out of job wouldn't they? Me I will stick with God's word on the matter. So tired of...

Not everyone is born to be a biblical scholar brother....are you taunting me? Nevertheless I think my posts in general speak well enough for themselves because God's strength is perfected.......in our weakness. Where it says "study" to show yourself approved doesn't mean to study the bible...

Thankfully that sarcastic nonsense has nothing to do with me so why address it to me? I'd be among the first to denounce that kind of thing as being false. To me people don't need to be and shouldn't be consumed with wondering what their spiritual gifts are anyhow......eventually we start to...

Why does everything get misunderstood? I don't put experience before the word of God brother. Just that we learn about the Lord by our experience of Him in light of His word. Did you miss that part? Experiencing God is part of the Christian life because of having been restored to FELLOWSHIP...

No idea what you are talking about with over-reacting and staying in control. Not to mention that this isn't any kind of competition, not to me at least. “The gifts of the Spirit were given to “profit” them spiritually. But it must not be assumed that when God caused spiritual gifts to cease...

Of course the just shall live by faith, not by signs and miracles, I agree. But signs and miracles are of faith. I agree too many are placing signs and miracles front and centre in place of Christ and His word....but that doesn't rule out that there are signs and miracles. I hear from the...

Honestly I'm beginning to worry our dear brother is absorbing men's commentary in place of the simple word of God. The entrance of the WORD gives light, not the entrance of comments and reasonings of men. I have two or three times been edified, but on this subject it's like men's opinions and...

Hmm, brother, it should be the washing of the water of the word, not the washing of water of men's commentary and reasonings. When I received tongues it came out in foreign languages, even Chinese, Russian, Italian and others I have forgotten or didn't know what they were. It was so funny to...

Hoo boy. Sorry but that is a stretch. So the gifts ceased with the canon? And the perfect word of God spends a lot of time and ink instructing about the spiritual gifts.....does His word ever cease?

Yes I've seen spiritual gifts/miracles etc being idolized..........to the point where the Spirit of God was grieved enough to depart. I was heart broken. But everything seems to test us I notice. The problem isn't with the things that God does/gives, but is with us. The problem with...

Man's reasoning....we always need His spiritual gifts/workings as long as we're on this earth battling a spiritual enemy....our weapons are not carnal. When did "that which is perfect" come? And when did His Body stop being composed of divers parts?

That seems to be how He teaches you, your gift. Maybe reading isn't your thing. Myself, I hunger for both the spirit and the word really....and most of all to be changed! That is at least part of the reason why He gives us His Spirit and His word...it's purpose is to change us into His image.

Seems to me that if one "falls out" it means they are not fully sanctified by definition, but are like children still learning to walk and stumbling repeatedly until they finally do get it. No one unlearns and stops walking once they have fully learned how to walk.

Absolutely we need the scriptures. It's not a case of one or the other though. From the scriptures we learn that God gives gifts to men. And also instruction in how to handle them. And God teaches us hand in hand through experience too. We can learn through experience in the light of God's...