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  1. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    I do understand what he said about Revelation 20. So, I was asking him in a pointed way to clarify what he thought I believed. And then he actually clarified later in that post that I responded to what he thought I believed; I just hadn't gotten to that point yet. I don't play games, Davy...
  2. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    LOL! :) Right back atcha... :) But, if you and I never see eye to eye on the particular thing, then... like I said, it's not salvific. It's certainly worth discussing ~ but not arguing about, which it seems some here are wont to do ~ and getting right, for sure, but our salvation does not...
  3. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    You’re not “making a stand for Him” now, Davy? Um… Uh-oh… :) Grace and peace to you.
  4. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    Chuckles… ;) Are you actually saying Revelation 20 has already occurred? Surely not…. Or are you saying that’s what you hear me to be saying? Again, surely not, at least not in full; but not at all regarding Revelation 20:7-15… And I surely don’t mean to insult your intelligence or...
  5. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    Okay, well, we disagree on that, too, then… :) Well, you are, but obviously unintentionally. Or, at the very least, applying your own context, with regard to at least sequence of events, to what I am saying, and that really can’t be done without making what I am saying something very different...
  6. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    Hmmm… I’ll let the Holy Spirit, Who brings to mind all that Jesus has said and even gives us utterance when needed speak for Himself… I’m… well aware of what I said… and have said before… No, but I respect your opinion, and your passion in expressing it. I’m well aware of all these passages...
  7. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    Sure, as expected. Opinion noted. Here we go back into the nations versus individuals back-and-forth. As I also said before, this is an earthly thing, of course, but even prisoners in federal penitentiaries can exert influence on people on the outside. And so it is with Satan in the...
  8. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    LOL! :) Yes, I disagree that the battles described in Revelation 19:16-21 and Revelation 20:7-10 are different battles in different places in different times. Look at the result of the battle in both places, Timtofly. In Revelation 19, they were captured and thrown alive into the lake of...
  9. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    Not in the sense that the church is "removed" from anything. The parable illustrates the suddenness of the end, for sure. As in the days of Noah and the suddenness of the flood that came upon the earth, which Jesus states late in Matthew 24, just a few sentences before His telling of the...
  10. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    Absolutely. God is His own arbitor. Well, I'm not quite sure who these "whirled peas" are... :)... but yeah, wrongly, for the most part... :) And some ~ names withheld :) ~ use reengineered and heretical texts to do so... :) And some are just plain wrong... :) Well, if you are looking...
  11. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    Disagree. Merely reading something sequentially ~ verse two after verse one, three after two, etc. ~ and even chapters (again, two after one, three after two, etc.) does not necessarily mean the events described are sequential or purely chronological. Even concerning Revelation 19 alone, I...
  12. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    I think this is my cue to bow out gracefully, David. I mean, I cited several passages of Scripture in my post in support of my position, which I would not have done, of course, if I was "looking to deny Holy Scripture." My goodness. I do understand that to be your opinion, David. I would say...
  13. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    Sure. Absolutely. LOL! No worries. I know him. :) Haven't read that one, but I would recommend "The Gospel of the Kingdom; Scriptural Studies in the Kingdom of God." The Gospel of the Kingdom: Scriptural Studies in the Kingdom of God. Sure. But Paul does exhort us to put on the full...
  14. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    Would I be incorrect in thinking that there are other really good things available for purchase at Dave & Alison's Place? :) Well, I do agree, but... :) Ah, it seems the rhetoric is ramping up, here... Satan's binding... Well, as I have said ~ and you, along with others, will continue to...
  15. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    Hm. Well this comment was directed at another poster, David, but I would ask for some elaboration on your part here. :) And I'm not expressing disagreement... yet, at least... :) Well, okay, again, I don't disagree, but same as above. :) Grace and peace to you.
  16. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    Okay... :) I mean, that's neither here nor there, really, but okay. My "cycles don't help" you... I don't even get that... :) Well, they're not the same vision, really, unless we lump it all together generally as John's prophecy, which he himself did in his introduction in Revelation 1:3...
  17. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    Good. But I feel a "but" coming... :) Just because it is not mentioned does not mean it not a reality in previous cycles, David. As you may remember, I said, "The cycles parallel one another. All cover the same period leading up to the Second Coming. But each cycle does so from its own...
  18. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    Hey, David, no problem, my friend. I would ask that you bear with me also. Disagreement regarding the millennium at least partly centers on this chronological relation for Revelation 20:1-10 and Revelation 19:11-21, but it makes much more sense to see Revelation 20:1-15 as the last cycle of...
  19. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    In very real sense, Chapter 20 starts over again (from verse 1 on) after the conclusion of Revelation 19. You will obviously disagree, and you will surely not be alone in so doing. Well, now, we would, to a large extent, agree on this, David. Except for "new," if you mean to the exclusion of...
  20. PinSeeker

    A question about the rapture

    You think it is, sure. And your position may be based on facts, but still be incorrect. Round and round we go... You don't see a big, huge spiritual battle going on in both Revelation 19:11-21 and Revelation 20:7-10? Well that's... interesting... I... don't think so... :) Grace and peace...