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  1. GodsGrace

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    I don't think I've ever read anyone on these forums that understands 1 Peter 3:19-20. Never read commentaries - but I'll bet they don't agree. (why not start a thread? sml )
  2. GodsGrace

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    Sure...in these cases Jesus meant actual bread.... man needs bread....but not only bread but every word that comes from God. Both physical and spiritual need. Then there is temporary bread....manna lasted only one day and had to be replaced. NOW God gives us the TRUE bread....the true spiritual...
  3. GodsGrace

    Is demonic a unclean Spirit ? Can it posse a person ?

    Right. I asked because I've seen your threads. How do you think posting about possession helps to produce fruit for God? I think that those that are unwilling to believe (and I DO think it's a matter of the will) will not do so even if they saw an exorcism. They'd probably think it was some...
  4. GodsGrace

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    You got likes from @Lambano and @St. SteVen which surprised me. The Trinity is very well established today. Also, of course the first creeds require uniformity on positions. And, they were well-established once they became a creed. Creeds were so because there was some question or other...
  5. GodsGrace

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    Hell was incorrectly translated in the NT. All those terms you listed mean different places. Jesus was 3 days in the heart of the earth.... Certainly not in hell - even the CC, that used to teach this, no longer does. Because God cannot be in hell. So what's the heart of the earth? How about...
  6. GodsGrace

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    Yes! Should anyone be in the church that doesn't, at least somewhat, agree with the creeds??? My answer is no. I had started a thread on this back when (not here) and it was basically felt that the creeds required no adherence. My basic question was: What does it require for one to be defined...
  7. GodsGrace

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    The NASB 1995 which is the bible I use says: "And on that day you will ask me no question. Truly, truly I say to you, if you shall ask the Father for anything, He will give it to you in My name." That changes even what IN MY NAME means.... NOT to pray in Jesus' name... but that the Father will...
  8. GodsGrace

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    I like conflicting stories. It's a good thing that there are some small differences in the NT. It means it's not a conspiracy...each person told his own story and how he remembers it. It would make a good OP. As to Chronicles and Kings... One wrote before the exile and one after. Different...
  9. GodsGrace

    Is demonic a unclean Spirit ? Can it posse a person ?

    Unless you're reformed,, you won't believe God sends evil spirits. This is most probably referring to emotions or feelings or moods that come over a person... just like another member here was saying. Maybe it was referred to as an evil spirit by those writing at that time. God left Saul....so...
  10. GodsGrace

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    Also for @Lambano John 16:23 Two asks 1 means to question: Do not question Me. The next one means to request. As has already been expressed here,,,,there is little to say about prayer being answered. If we go by The Lord's Prayer, it would seem that requests for what WE want is not top on...
  11. GodsGrace

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    It's interesting that from the very beginning the Apostles were unable to perform miracles the way that Jesus did. I don't believe there are supposed to be many miracles..... A miracle means that something against nature happened. God set up this world to operate in a certain way and I've always...
  12. GodsGrace

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    Hope you saw my post no. 58 to you. It addressed the above. And yes, of course, what you post above is also most probable. (and true).
  13. GodsGrace

    Is demonic a unclean Spirit ? Can it posse a person ?

    Of course. The oppressor is satan. I'll explain now why I don't believe influence and oppression is the same. You could be INFUENCED by a number of things: a person an ideal God satan Many INFLUENCES come into consideration when making any choice.... biblically speaking, I'd limit it to moral...
  14. GodsGrace

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    Oh. I just realized what you mean. Yes...this is a problem, but if we can accept that perhaps Moses did not write all of Genesis the problem would be solved. Are you familiar with the different writers theory? I touched on it in post 56 but my knowledge in this is limited - have forgotten a lot.
  15. GodsGrace

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    Are you really wondering? Or do you know and are asking a rhetorical question? Spit it out!! sml
  16. GodsGrace

    What affect is there on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

    The Genesis account is found in other ancient writings - although not as specific and definitely with more mythology (todays meaning). As to your question about Moses.... It's an interesting question because this would have to be answered and I'm not knowledgeable enough: Did Moses write down...
  17. GodsGrace

    Is demonic a unclean Spirit ? Can it posse a person ?

    See my post no. 8.... Do you distinguish between influence and oppression?
  18. GodsGrace

    Is demonic a unclean Spirit ? Can it posse a person ?

    I'd say that our fears can possess us and fear is definitly not from God, but from the evil forces. I don't agree, however, that it does no good to think that satan is roaming around nowadays... Satan is always roaming around seeking whom he will devour....just like God is still God, then satan...
  19. GodsGrace

    Is demonic a unclean Spirit ? Can it posse a person ?

    Yes. Big difference. I just think it's so unhealthy to think about this so much.
  20. GodsGrace

    Is demonic a unclean Spirit ? Can it posse a person ?

    Goodness Stream... Is there a reason why you're so obsessed with demonic possession? It's not too good to be thinking of satan all the time. Read Philippians 4:8 and make it a habit. Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is...