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I’m a Jewish monotheist, not a trinitarian. My answer would provide you with how a Jewish monotheist who believes Jesus is the Messiah understands the incident. That is education about Jewish monotheism, not education about the Trinity. I agree that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God...

Jewish history doesn’t prove Jesus was a hypocrite, a blasphemer and a false teacher. The church began as a sect of Judaism. It was comprised almost entirely of Jewish monotheists who believed that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God. That’s primitive Christianity. The history of Christianity...

I’m using church history. Why do you believe church history is flawed?

The Hebrew Bible and the New Testament were written by Jewish monotheists. Trinitarianism is built upon those writings. I don’t agree with that and I doubt that those who recite the trinitarian creeds will agree with you about that.

That’s a fine question but it falls outside of the focus of this thread. My answer to your question doesn’t have anything to do with educating people about the doctrine of the Trinity. Right?

So what does that produce in this case? It produces the spectacle of a trinitarian parade being led by a Jewish monotheist drum major who knows the history. A trinitarian member who knows the history should be leading the parade. In their absence, I’m filling the gap.

Whatever stock we put into such polls, they point to some degree of educational failure.

I don’t want to do it but I will if it becomes necessary. A moderator may step in at any moment of their own accord and close it anyway. I believe in the constraints of history. They ground us. It would be better if a trinitarian member walked us through it but that’s part of the problem...

I would like for us to get back to the creeds. We left off with the Apostles’ Creed. Would one of the trinitarian members post the original Nicene Creed here for us?

It’s beginning to turn into an argument. This was supposed to be a clinical, unemotional, education on the development of historical orthodox trinitarianism in and by the church. I’m close to requesting that the thread be closed.

Yes.

The Catholic scholar Edmund Fortman calls this “elemental trinitarianism” in his book The Triune God: A Historical Study of the Doctrine of the Trinity. We can think of them as building blocks. ”If we take the New Testament writers together they tell us that there is only one God, the creator...

That’s fine. Many trinitarian churches recite the Apostles’ Creed. The trinitarian church I was raised in (Southern Baptist) isn’t creedal. It was quite a while before I even became aware (in a short Bible study led by the pastor) that there were any such thing as creeds. It’s not that the...

Yes, I agree that it would be helpful to post the text of those creeds. That’s a very good suggestion. You could do it, I could do it, anyone who wants to could do it. It doesn’t matter who posts them. The trinitarian creeds teach trinitarian orthodoxy. If I was going to do it I would begin...

The trinitarian was calling me a dog. A dog is an unclean animal in scripture. He was dehumanizing me. To hound is also to pursue something relentlessly. In my case that something is Jewish monotheism. That’s the word play: He was saying in a thinly guarded way that I’m nothing but an unclean...

Thank you for the invitation but this thread has nothing to do with my interpretation of the Trinity. When I taught the doctrine I played it straight. The doctrine teaches what it does no matter what I think about it. [Anyone who has been a member here for a while knows that I’m a Jewish...

“Natural man’s sin is precisely this: He wants the benefits of God without God Himself.” - R.C. Sproul

Most people today believe they are emulating the early church in their theology. Most clergy are focusing their attention on “Christian living”, not on teaching church history. A very good friend of mine is a trinitarian pastor. We’ve discussed the matter a few times. He once told me that...

I’m a 1st century believer living in the 21st century. The Board administration / moderating team is willing now, and always has been, to recognize me as Christian. The only option the Administrator has offered for you (and others like you who insist on speaking here against trinitarian...

I understand your position; the trinitarians do too. It’s been beaten to death. What you stated is potentially going to provoke the argument which I explicitly stated in the OP is not the intention of the thread. (I’m not a trinitarian but your comment put me on the brink of doing what a...