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  1. Matthias

    Barna Poll: Most Americans - Including Church Members - Reject the Trinity

    If it’s true then it should be believed, no matter who says it. As I pointed out, the largest branch of unitarianism believes it is true. Everyone should know what the church which affirms the historical orthodox doctrine of the Trinity thinks about that and why it thinks what it does about...
  2. Matthias

    Barna Poll: Most Americans - Including Church Members - Reject the Trinity

    Same here about myself. And yet I’m a Jewish monotheist, not a trinitarian. I commented to someone else a few days ago that most of what I know about theology - trinitarian and non-trinitarian - I learned from trinitarian scholars who believed and taught historical orthodox trinitarianism.
  3. Matthias

    Barna Poll: Most Americans - Including Church Members - Reject the Trinity

    I’m neither Catholic nor Protestant. No one ever asks but, for the record, I not Eastern Orthodox. (I seldom come across them.) I’m a Jewish monotheist who believes Jesus of Nazareth (who is also a Jewish monotheist) is the Messiah, Son of the living God. That is not good enough in the eyes of...
  4. Matthias

    Barna Poll: Most Americans - Including Church Members - Reject the Trinity

    Thank you. I don’t want to argue about it either. I know. Whether a person does or doesn’t, the subject of the thread is proper education about the Trinity.
  5. Matthias

    To the only God our Savior

    Thank you for asking. First I’d like to preface my response with the following. The only monotheism I affirm is Jewish monotheism, and that is unitarian. That, in part, is why I’m registered here as “Other Faith” rather than “Christian” on a platform which officially endorses and affirms...
  6. Matthias

    Barna Poll: Most Americans - Including Church Members - Reject the Trinity

    Someone asked me years ago if I hoped that my students would affirm historical orthodox trinitarianism after taking my classes on the subject. No. I hoped that my students who learned about historical orthodox trinitarianism would then decide for themselves whether to affirm it or reject it...
  7. Matthias

    Barna Poll: Most Americans - Including Church Members - Reject the Trinity

    No. And why is that? Rejection of the institutional standard. I spoke with a trinitarian recently who insisted that even the Catholic Church rejects historical orthodox trinitarianism. It doesn’t get any more absurd than that. There can be no agreement in that case.
  8. Matthias

    Barna Poll: Most Americans - Including Church Members - Reject the Trinity

    That’s right. Blow up the institutional statements. Set them on fire. Bury the ashes. The Trinity then becomes anything anyone wants it to be. “I’m a trinitarian! I believe in the Trinity! You should believe in the Trinity! But what you must never do is define the Trinity and insist on that...
  9. Matthias

    Barna Poll: Most Americans - Including Church Members - Reject the Trinity

    I read an old thread on the forum recently which had received no replies in four years. The person who initiated the thread had posted some personal information and then asked if others thought he was a Christian based on the information supplied. I don’t know why no Christian responded, and I...
  10. Matthias

    Barna Poll: Most Americans - Including Church Members - Reject the Trinity

    How can anyone believe in the Trinity if he or she doesn’t know and understand what the church which affirms it (Catholic, Protestant, Eastern Orthodox) teaches about it? How can anyone reject the Trinity if he or she doesn’t know and understand what the church which affirms it teaches about...
  11. Matthias

    Barna Poll: Most Americans - Including Church Members - Reject the Trinity

    That should be done. It’s all a part of church history. The topic of this thread is educating people about the Trinity. The typical American / American Christian doesn’t know what the Catholic, Protestant and Eastern Orthodox churches say about the Trinity. It isn’t being taught to them in...
  12. Matthias

    The happy thread

  13. Matthias

    Barna Poll: Most Americans - Including Church Members - Reject the Trinity

    Nicaea (325), Constantinople (381), Chalcedon (451). Those who dissented were expelled from the church. The value of your comment to me is that it reflects what the poll is telling us.
  14. Matthias

    Barna Poll: Most Americans - Including Church Members - Reject the Trinity

    Welcome to the forum. I see that you are registered “Agnostic”. I understand your position but your comment is the very thing that I wanted to avoid in this thread. Now a zealous trinitarian will be chomping at the bit to respond to it and, if one does (I’m hoping the trinitarians will...
  15. Matthias

    The happy thread was dead. Long live the happy thread!

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