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Immersion is not the only meaning of baptizo. Sometimes it just means washing up (Luke 11:38, Mark 7:3) so baptizo can mean cleansing or ritual washing as well as immersion. But back to our discussion about the Apostolic Fathers. None of the Apostolic Fathers (Clement, Ignatius and Polycarp)...

Hey DJT, Give me some examples of the teachings from the Apostles that the Apostolic Fathers changed. The Apostolic Fathers are Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp. Maybe @Searcher can help you "search" (pun intended) for that evidence out since they "liked" your theory.

Hey Searcher, Yes, there have been some bad men who were Popes that did not "adhere to the apostles" or adhere to Church teaching. Did the actions (sins) of those bad Popes change or nullify the teachings of The Church? Do the actions/sins of your Protestant church leaders nullify the...

Oh goodness....hlfThe men who spoke to the Apostles and wrote down what they learned from them is all hogwash. THEY were heretics! But any man's writings that YOU agree with, THOSE MEN are not heretics! Even though the Apostolic Fathers could ask the Apostles follow-up questions and yours...

Lol....Ok sooooo what YOU and your men teach haven't "changed what the apostles taught" but the Apostolic Fathers, men who spoke to the Apostles, did change what the Apostles taught? Oh goodness.....:confused I can't take you serious anymore........

Thanks for joining the convo DJT. Yes, it is a theory that the Apostles and their successors didn't decide and or vote on their replacements. Paul to Timothy: “What you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also” That means Timothy...

Ummmm.....They, the students of the Apostles, weren't "the cousin of the uncle of the brother of the friend of one of the apostles".......Such a silly statement. I can see you are not serious. When you say that you "choose to follow the scriptures" what you are really saying is that you have...

Lol......Let me see if I have your theory correct: The men who were taught by the Apostles were NOT following the actual Scriptures when they wrote their interpretations? I should ignore them and only follow MY interpretation of Scripture? Is that what you a suggesting?

You dodged my question again :mad:: My doctrine is "man-made" and your doctrine is.......God made? I will reword it for you: I read the bible. I interpret a passage in the bible that says you MUST do ABC to be saved. That is my doctrine. You read that same passage and you say a person does...

So your theory is that the Apostles practiced what they preached only 1 time; when they replaced Judas? When the 11 other Apostles died there was no vote on who would take their place? Is that your theory? Curious Mary

Except for when Mathias replaced Judas......other than that "Nowhere" can it be found. And your theory that the Apostles practiced what they preached only 1 time....when Judas was replaced....is laughable especially if you ignore historical Christian writings. Thanks for your time David.....Mary.

You suggest I shouldn't get "hung up on 2000 years of teaching" yet YOU are hung up on 500 years of teaching (Protestant teachings). Fascinating......The 500 year teaching you adhere to are not "false, man contrived nonsensical, unscriptural, teaching and practice" but the teachings of the men...

I do know. I got to be in Christ via The Church he started. How did you get to be "in Christ"? You dodged my question: My doctrine is "man made" and your doctrine is.......God made?

Hey David, Are you suggesting that since Scripture doesn't mention a replacement for James that they didn't replace James in the same manner that they replaced Judas? That their agreement at the Council of Jerusalem on how to replace an office holder (an Apostle) was only a 1-time deal and...

:jest: YOU have given @BreadOfLife the Word of God and BOL is pushing a false doctrine and teachings that go against Scripture? BOL refuses to stand corrected and BOL's heart is hardened? Oh goodness......My eyes have been open to who you really are.

Oh goodness Dash. I apologize if I left you with the impression that I thought you were a cult member. I do not think you are. If you read what I wrote you would see at the beginning of my post I said I am a recovering Protestant. I then listed the problems with Protestantism. I then at the end...

Got it........YOU have figured out what early Christian teachings are "contrary to sctitural {sic} doctrine" but Marymog and The Church hasn't figured out what is contrary to Scriptural doctrine? My doctrine is "man made" and your doctrine is.......God made? Interesting......:IDK:

Thanks DJT. We agree, smlinfants have not and cannot commit sin. Clearly you don't believe in original sin spoken of in Scripture and taught by Christianity for 2,000 years so I will skip that discussion. And you interpret the verses in Scripture on how baptism replaces circumcision and that...

Yes, very good Dash. I am a member of The Church. Thank God I am a recovering Protestant. Every Protestant church I went to taught a different "truth" and accused other Protestant denominations of not teaching the Truth. NONE of them could trace their teachings back to the Apostles or even the...

LOL...Ok. Since I debunked your theory using Scripture you decided not to debate anymore. :( You previously said that you "never claimed ownership of truth." And that you "believe what is written.' But when I say that I also believe what is written and give you my interpretation of "what is...