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  1. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    It appears as though that you are right, sort of. But wrong on saying that Noah and his family and the animals were shut in the ark after one day. Beginning 7 days before the flood begin, Noah started rounding up animals. Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by...
  2. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Your post lacks the very critical issue of the identification of the vision in the text of verses 21, 22, 23, 24.
  3. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Your argument does not address the vision being referred to in verses 21.22. 23, 24.
  4. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    (5) seal up the vision and prophecy, Before getting to Daniel 9:24, it is important to note what vision would be completed within the 70 weeks. We start with verse 21. 21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being...
  5. Douggg

    Understanding what is the "Abomination of Desolation".

    Before getting to Daniel 9:24, it is important to note what vision would be completed within the 70 weeks. We start with verse 21. 21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the...
  6. Douggg

    Understanding what is the "Abomination of Desolation".

    Hi CTK, it sounds like you are SDA ? I don't have any problem with SDA's personally, but I do disagree with some of SDA beliefs... such as the pope/papacy is the Antichrist.
  7. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Not coming "again" in the kjv. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and...
  8. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    @WPM started this thread - titling it "the absurdity of Pre-trib logic". So I think he has the responsibility to prove that the rapture could not - possibly, might, - happen before the 7 year 70th week begins. I don't disagree with you that @WPM and I are not even remotely on the same page -...
  9. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Ezekiel 39:29 is Jesus speaking in the text after having returned to this earth in Ezekiel 39:21, His Second Coming. During the 7 years following Gog/Magog, the Jews who do not presently believe that Jesus is the Lord their God made manifest by entering this world, to take on the body of a man...
  10. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You have not proven that the rapture could not - possibly, might, - happen before the 7 year 70th week begins.
  11. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Ezekiel 39:29 does not take place until after Israel has spent 7 months burying the dead of Gog's army in a massive grave site to be called Hamongog. Ezekiel 39:11-12. That grave site does not exist yet, because Ezekiel 39 is still future.
  12. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    In Revelation 14, Jesus, having a sickle, will destroy the armies surrounding Jerusalem at His Second Coming. To destroy the rest of the armies, those armies stacked up in the rest of Israel, an angel, given a sickle for the same purpose, will destroy those armies, and the blood will flow...
  13. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I have heard that argument countless times. Contrary to that argument.... Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, hailed as the messiah in John 12:12-15. Four days later, He was crucified. So the all within one week. That the 7 years is still unfulfilled is found in Ezekiel 39. The 7 years in...
  14. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I never said that Revelation 4:1-2 was the actual rapture. I am not saying that the rapture/resurrection is explicitly found in any verse in Revelation. Give the specific Revelation chapter and verse that has the rapture/resurrection event explicitly in it. I am not going to get bogged...
  15. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    David, you are rationalizing. I am asking for a verse(s) in Revelation that clearly, explicitly, has the rapture/resurrection event in it it.
  16. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I gave you the exact verses of Revelation 4:1-2 that I say prefigures the rapture. By the same measure, you give me the Revelation chapter and verse number that has the rapture/resurrection event in it.
  17. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Give me the Revelation chapter and verse number that has the rapture/resurrection event in it. So I and everyone else can determine if the verse has the rapture/resurrection event in it
  18. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    None of what you wrote have the rapture/resurrection event in it. What Revelation chapter and verse number in Revelation has the rapture/resurrection event in it. Just give me the specific Revelation chapter and verse number that has the rapture/resurrection event it it.
  19. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Just give me the specific chapter and verse number in Revelation that has the rapture/resurrection event in it as you claim.