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I am not going down all these side tracks you are creating. I am asking you why the rapture cannot happen pre-70th week (i.e pretrib as pre-tribbers define their view). You have not come up with any proof why the rapture cannot happen pre-70th week (i.e pretrib as pre-tribbers define their...

Jesus's name is not in Ezekiel 39 or Daniel 9 either. So your type of argument is invalid.

From the parable of the fig tree. Russia - Ezekiel 38:2

It does not have to say in Ezekiel 39. The 7 year 70th week is there, proved so by Armageddon in Ezekiel 39:17-20, and 7 years that precede it in Ezekiel 39:9. The pre-trib rapture view is that the rapture takes place before the 7 year 70th week.

Russia, Iran, Turkey, Libya, Ethiopia, Ezekiel 38:2-6. Sometime before the end of 2030.

Armageddon: Ezekiel 39: 17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of...

Ezekiel 39 provides the time line framework for the 7 year 70th week. Gog/Magog - Ezekiel 39:1-16 7 years following - Ezekiel 39:9 Armageddon - Ezekiel 39:17-20 Jesus's Second Coming - Ezekiel 39:21-29 Pre-trib rapture view is the rapture happens before the 7 years following Gog/Magog.

Ezekiel 39 proves that there is 7 years following Gog/Magog, that those 7 years end with Jesus's Second Coming. I agree that the 7 years is not all tribulation. The pre-tribbers error in calling the entire 7 years as tribulation. But what they are actually referring to is the 7 year 70th...

I am asking you why the rapture cannot happen pre-70th week (i.e pretrib as pre-tribbers define their view). You are trying to turn that around and are asking me to prove the pre-trib rapture view is correct. I am not pre-trib rapture view. I have my own view, which I titled the anytime...

I am not trying to prove that the pre-trib (pre-70th week, as pretrribbers defined pre-trib) is in Revelation. I am asking you why the rapture cannot happen pre-70th week (i.e pretrib as pre-tribbers define their view).

You said..."The catching away is in Revelation - several times" So you must believe that the rapture exists in Revelation someplace.

I am not getting side tracked with those sort of questions. I am looking for proof from you why the rapture cannot happen pre-70th week (i.e pretrib as pre-tribbers define their view).

I see the rapture pre-figured when John heard a voice like a trumpet saying come up hither in Revelation 4:1-2

You have not proved why the rapture cannot happen pre-70th week (i.e pretrib as pre-tribbers define their view). If the rapture is not in the book of Revelation, then it must have happened before the events in Revelation, right ?

In Revelation 16 is the pouring out of the 7 vials of God's wrath. So the day of the Lord will have begun, correct? The rapture, therefore, is before the 7 vials of God's wrath are poured out. The rapture rationale is moving closer to the pre-trib timing. Revelation 12:12-14 indicates...

If no one survives the day of the Lord when God's wrath is poured out - then would that not favor the rapture being before then? Why is the world saying peace and safety at that time when sudden destruction hits them ?

Jeff, I am not disagreeing regarding the change, the transformation of the living in Christ from our current bodies into everlasting eternal bodies. In John 14:3, Jesus did not call his coming again - as being a second time, nor being His Second Coming. And the place that Jesus talked about...

Typo. I fixed it. Jesus is returning with His saints - not mansions.

Jeff, John 14: 1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto...

Jeff, I think "coming back" in John 14:3 is not referring to Jesus's Second Coming. okay, this where we are disagreeing. I don't think "second time" in that verse is referring to Jesus's Second Coming (to end the great tribulation), but for the rapture before the great tribulation takes...