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  1. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Bringing the person back to life is the strong delusion that God will send to them who believed the person's big lie that he had achieved God hood. 2Thessalonians2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
  2. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Verse 12 is referring to Satan, and Satan's desire to be worshiped in verse 13-14 as being like God. Verse 15 switches to the Antichrist, who Satan will be instrumental in the Antichrist's claiming of having achieved God-hood. Verse 16 reveals the switch by ... Isa 14:16 They that see...
  3. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You left out the word "you". i.e. Why did you not not give us the reference of what you quoted? I was responding to @Spiritual Israelite who had given the reference - Isaiah 14, based on what I posted to him before. But I did go back and edited my post to include "Isaiah 14" as the reference.
  4. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Isaiah 14: 18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. 19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase...
  5. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    On this chart, I gave the verses which God brings the person back to life. Isaiah 14:18-20.
  6. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I gave my answer to your question. If your question had been - do I believe that the rapture will happen before the millennium begins? I would have said "yes" to that as well. But that does not mean I should call my rapture timing view pre-millennium. I could have also chose "pre-day...
  7. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I agree. (fix the typo - Revelation 19, not 29)
  8. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No, that label would not be accurate to what I believe. I believe that the rapture will happen before the transgression of desolation act by the Antichrist- which takes place several events before the great tribulation begins. Rapture, any time between right now and the ToD act. 1. ToD...
  9. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Davy, my pre-trib rapture view chart shows the rapture window before the 7 year 70th week begins and before the false messianic age.
  10. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I personally never use the term "the tribulation" nor "the trib" for short. I use the term "the great tribulation". And also the term "7 year 70th week" I believe the great tribulation will be 1335 days long. Beginning when the abomination of desolation statue image is setup on the...
  11. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I don't called the great tribulation as "the trib". I don't use the term "the trib" because it is confusing. I believe the great tribulation will be 1335 days long. Beginning when the abomination of desolation statue image is setup on the temple mount. And ending when Jesus returns...
  12. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Davy, the chart of mine in your post is the anytime rapture view chart - not the pre-trib rapture view chart. Below is the pre-trib rapture view chart. Pre-tribbers consider the entire 70th week as tribulation. Therefore, in their view, the rapture has to take place before the 70th week...
  13. Douggg

    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    Yes, I think we are born with a soul (within our current physical body). I would say our soul, our inner person, the essence of our being, is destined to die eternally - because of sin. i.e. the soul that sinneth shall die, Ezekiel 18:4. There is a verse regarding when the disciples first...
  14. Douggg

    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    I think when having a disagreement discussion over a topic or issue, that taking the diplomacy approach is better than taking the provocation approach. I agree totally with what you say about not ignoring my own boundaries (speaking about myself).
  15. Douggg

    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    The point I was making is that you equated "figuratively" with "spiritually". I think you would have been better off just to say that it is obvious that we are not in heaven physically, at the present time. And no-one would disagree with that.
  16. Douggg

    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    I have considered to take the same action as @marks did.
  17. Douggg

    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    The point @marks is making, I think is that you, @Spiritual Israelite, apply personal attacks, degrading comments, and mis-representing what others say - in your disagreeing methods . Which tends to degrade a disagreement discussion into an exchange of name calling and accusations.
  18. Douggg

    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    Then, we should refer to you as Figurative Israelite ?
  19. Douggg

    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    I think verse 6 is that Jesus is in heaven as our advocate, that we are there with Him in His heart in His love for us.