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    WHO ARE THE TWO WITNESSES IN REVELATION ?

    Maybe so, but I am most assuredly not a Seventh-Day Adventist. But hey, SDAs do have some things right... :) Grace and peace to you, RLT.
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    WHO ARE THE TWO WITNESSES IN REVELATION ?

    Yes, today we call them the Old Testament and the New Testament, respectively. One or both may be on any one (or possibly all) of... your bookshelf, coffee table, and/or bedside table. :) To be more clear, in agreement with Revelation as a whole, we find here in Revelation 11 a symbolic vision...
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    Who can give an answer to the Vail?

    My answer to Vail is that it's an excellent ski resort. :)
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Ugh. :) Yeah, I get the goofing around part, and I think you really do know what I mean. :) Yeah, I don't think so... :) But, surely we can just call that conjecture on both our parts and leave it at that. Well, if you understand it strictly in the English connotation of 'form' instead of...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    There was never any difference concerning different ideas existing ~ and even what some of those ideas were/are ~ about Who/who the One/many true God/gods was/were, as I said. And in that immediate sense, what the writer says about there being "nothing new under the sun" is just as true today...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    As to Rich, Tigger, so I say to you: All that I said to Wrangler in post 924 above regarding Thomas and Jesus applies to you, Tigger. Inadvertent though it may be. All of it. Grace and peace to you.
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Only if we ignore Psalm 28:1 ~"To you, O LORD, I call; my Rock, be not deaf to me, lest, if Rou be silent to me, I become like those who go down to the pit." Jesus is this Rock, as we see throughout the Bible: Isaiah 8:13-14 ~ "But the LORD of hosts, Him you shall honor as holy. Let Him be...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Ah, then Jesus was lying throughout John 14... or John misquoted Him... which, in either case, in view of the fact that all Scripture is breathed out by the Father and into men directly by the Holy Spirit (2 Timothy 3:16-17) makes the Father and the Holy Spirit out to be a liars and therefore...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    No, it's quite deeper than that... :) Well, not really. There were just different ideas about who the one/many true God/Gods was/were. Like the writer of Ecclesiastes says, there is nothing new under the sun. In the past as well as the present, we who believe in the One True God know there...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    LOL! That's up to you, sir. I do wholeheartedly agree that this should stop, though... :) "Flasher..." LOL! By calling it an exclamatory statement, you are doing exactly all that I said with regard to Thomas and Jesus both. There is no "grasping" to it; it is what it is. Absolutely not...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Oh, I see, so in addition to your supposing that Thomas broke the first and fourth Commandments (to have no other gods before Him and taking the name of God in vain, respectively), now you're also supposing him to have broken the ninth Commandment (bearing false witness). On top of and...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Which is what "Jesus is not God" folks suppose Thomas to be doing in John 20:28, when He acknowledges and worships Jesus as God. In addition to supposing John and infinitely more importantly Jesus to be doing throughout John's gospel and elsewhere. You don't realize that this make absolutely...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Nope. It's quite painful to know you think that, but nope. Grace and peace to you.
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Because Scripture is clear that God is God, and we are not (and never will be). Well, in the sense that God has made things according to His will, maybe, and we just have to accept it as it is. That's exactly what the Watchtower did. You are just bought into it. No, literal and figurative...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    That's not quite how I would characterize it. :) Understanding the triune-ness of God requires no such thing. But it does require a letting go, not of simplicity but of simplistic thinking. Well, I think if you did so, you did so... poorly. :) Maybe you'll be back. The Holy Spirit is...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Disagree. Agree. No, but the fact that they are one makes the three that much more significant and meaningful, and vice-versa. Likewise, the fact that we are now all one in Christ Jesus makes the fact that we are many individuals that much more significant and meaningful, and vice-versa. See...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Yes, but not literally, of course; His hands and His feet are His own. Wow. Sure. But there is also a literal aspect to it. And it will all be made finally perfect at the Day of Christ. The oneness of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit has both a figurative and literal aspect to it...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I've never suggested otherwise. The problem is not logic, really, Rich, but rather overly simplistic and rationalistic in nature. You might be wise to see my response to Wrangler above. I'll restate it here for convenience's sake: We, though many individuals, are members of one another...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    How convenient that you cut out the self-debunking portion of your post. You quoted me, and said you agreed with it, and then said I was twisting your words. Somehow. Quite incredible. ...is just silly. I mean, I agree with the statement at face value, but presenting it in response to...
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    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Well, no longer any need to try to make sense of nonsense. :) Or heretical "sense." Though individual, they are one. Likewise, we, as Paul says in Romans 12:5, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. Yeah, what???? :) Grace and peace to you, Rich.