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ok, thank you brother. (Sorry I had to delete half your post, otherwise it wouldn't let me post - too many characters.) The love of God shed abroad in our hearts.......is in scripture. Meat of the word is in scripture also and that involves our part in following the Lord and work out our...

1Co 4:6-7 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other. For who makes you differ from another? And what do you...

Oh I give it credibility. That's why I do not try to take it out of context and use it to justify a doctrine of people being saved by their own righteousness apart from Christ. If you read just before that verse you will see the story of Cornelius a Gentile who Peter was sent to, to preach the...

Sorry....busy. Please leave a message at the sound of the tone. Want some popcorn? :watching and waiting:

I welcome a little comic relief, lol. Specially when things get intense. Laughter is good medicine.

Well brother don't you be worrying about me going off the deep end. I'm just going to be fair and subject the idea to the test, Lord willing. Whether there are any exceptions to the rule one must be born again to enter the kingdom of heaven. Babies are one such possible exception. I do...

Behold, I consider that the same "way" we are saved is the same "way" we are to walk and obey Him. It's all the same strait gate and narrow way....Jesus. His Spirit. Having begun in the spirit, we are not now going to be made perfect by the flesh. (Gal 3:3) I think we are in agreement on...

Does he think he is unique in experiencing heavenly things? I am not the one denying growth and what it can potentially grow into.......Epi is the one who has been denying the concept of growth all along with regard to these things. He dismisses growth as merely just referring to growing in...

Oh I'm glad to see you suddenly agree with the concept of growth. Better late than never I suppose. Think I'm going to go have some popcorn.

Jesus is that strait gate. I think we can interpret that word "strive" to mean seek to or endeavour to enter. It's kind of funny that some of the trouble with Epi's doctrine is that he contradicts his own doctrine with his doctrine. He thinks God will have mercy on those who don't know Christ...

Don't you know that faith GROWS? Starts out as the smallest of seeds which is the guarantee of what is to come (as long as one doesn't end up disqualifying themselves)....then it GROWS and keeps growing up until it becomes a tree of life. According to the word of God but not according to the...

Yes, in many cases. But you are too stuck on tarring everyone with that brush who has issues with certain aspects of your doctrine. It's convenient for you to make those assumptions I guess. No it is not. There is no need to impute something that one already has in fact. Why would God need...

Maybe this will help....? A child is called an heir even before he has inherited. The inheritance is being imputed to him before he actually receives it. God calleth those things that be not as though they are. And we need the mind of Christ to grasp this. So important not to throw the baby...

Is there any point going to the trouble to bring scriptures to you, but here goes anyhow. These scrips are CLEARLY speaking of those coming to Christ when we first come to faith, it is not exclusively addressing those in your alleged "higher walk", but this is HOW we come to faith as newly born...

God has made a way that we might indeed be "saved from wrath" through Christ. That's what the bible that I read says. I can give you chapter and verse if you are not familiar with it.

I've learned over the years that extra-biblical terminology always needs to be examined when it is being taught as an actual doctrine. Because that is not the same thing as just using words to help the understanding of scripture. What do you mean by "the higher walk"...? Do you simply mean...

Amen.

Here you are compartmentalizing as you so often do Epi. It misses the mark. Jesus died for ALL those things.

There is to be no schism in the body. Unfortunately there are those who compartmentalize things a lot. And to me that is a symptom of the carnal mind at work.

Amen. No argument there brother. I just am wondering about exceptions, or whether for some the question might really be whether their spirit may be saved but not their soul. Eg, the very young, should they die before knowing to choose either right or wrong. They are not born again. But...