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  1. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    It is an interpretation of Daniel 9:26b-27. Just as your beliefs regarding those verses are an interpretation. Most Pre-mils consider the covenant in Daniel 9:27 as being a forthcoming peace treaty involving Israel and surrounding middle east nations. And the prince that shall come as the...
  2. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Scripture does not teach that Jesus's resurrection is the first resurrection of the millennium. Jesus was resurrected thousands of years before the millennium begins. The first resurrection of the millennium is of the martyred great tribulation saints - who testified of Jesus and refused to...
  3. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The pre-trib view is based on the trib being the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27. Pre-trib adherents consider the prince that shall come of Daniel 9:26 as being the Antichrist person who will confirm a peace treaty involving Israel and surrounding middle east nations. Part of the reason...
  4. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You are not posttrib because you don't believe in the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 as being the "trib" in these views. pre-trib = pre - 7 year 70th week mid-trib = mid - 7 year 70th week post-trib = post- 7 year 70th week
  5. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You yourself said that the Rapture could happen today. Which if it did, would be pretrib.
  6. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I observe that Amil never talks about any of these end times time frames, even metaphorically. It is because Amil is an unworkable, irrational view.
  7. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yes, by being a Christian. The rapture/resurrection will be before the great tribulation begins. the rapture/resurrection event. then the great tribulation, martyred saints. then the Second Coming then the resurrection of martyred great tribulation saints. then the 1000 years on this present...
  8. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I wrote the first resurrection relative to the millennium. It is not for the purpose of escaping judgment. The great tribulation martyrs will be resurrected and will reign with Christ a thousand years. Amil does not acknowledge those coming thousand years. 4 And I saw thrones, and...
  9. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The Revelation 20:4 resurrection does not include a rapture. The rapture/resurrection will be before the great tribulation begins. the rapture/resurrection event. then the great tribulation, martyred saints. then the Second Coming then the resurrection of martyred great tribulation saints...
  10. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I don't think the number of future great tribulation martyrs will be small, based on what it says in Revelation 7:9 of being a great multitude. Christians like Paul will have his body resurrected at the time of the 1Thessalonains4:15-18 rapture/resurrection that will take place sometime between...
  11. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    @WPM I think in your opening post that if you said your were Amil, it would have been helpful. So others would know where you are coming from. And would result in less back and forth personal accusations. My suggestion is that in future threads you start, simply state that you are Amil...
  12. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The first resurrection, which you referred to in your post, is not a general resurrection. But a resurrection specifically for the great tribulation martyrs who did not worship the beast, his image, nor took his mark, as it says in Revelation 20:4. Relative to the millennium, the literal...
  13. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What is the Amil end times scenario ? Who is the Antichrist ? Who is the false prophet ? What is the abomination of desolation ?
  14. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    And who is the "they" who taught you ?
  15. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Based on my own discussion boards experience of over 20 years, there are two groups that can't be reasoned with... (1) partial preterists (2) Amils One of the positives that has come out of this thread is the total exposure of Amils lack of ability to make timeline charts because of their...
  16. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What the bible has is its end times time frames - which the time frames on my charts come from. Amils view all of the these time frames as metaphoric. Therefore Amils cannot make timeline charts containing these...
  17. Douggg

    Amil, Premil, poster list

    I listed you under the Amil group. If you don't want that, say so. I am not going start a new category called "Aftermil".
  18. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Jeff, you are presenting the Amil narrative (instead of a chart) timeline, correct ? starts at - "Death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus, fulfilment of the 70 weeks and the way made clear for man to the most Holy place," (Douggg) I am assuming you mean that by Jesus's death and...
  19. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Show a timeline chart of the Amil timeline.
  20. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You are making my point. Amil does not have a timeline of end times events according to the timeframes given in the bible. Are you going to put all of these as "symbolic" ? My next question is do you as Amil expect Jesus at His Second Coming to be physically present of this ever earth...