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  1. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    He knows enough not to be Amil.
  2. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What ? Revelation 20:4-6 has the resurrection of the martyred great tribulation saints, who did not worship the beast, nor his image, nor took his mark. Those three things are found in other parts of Revelation. The beast reigns 42 months in Revelation 13:5. Revelation 20 is not a...
  3. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    `What do you mean by physical ? That they can be seen ? Satan is an angel. Do you think that angels can be seen, like Daniel saw Gabriel in Daniel 9. Yes, it is possible that Satan can be seen. Ezekiel 28:. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee...
  4. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The word "advent" does not appear in the bible. Matthew 24: 30a And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: (sixth seal event) 30b and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory...
  5. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    In Revelation 12:7-12, Satan is cast down to earth as the seventh trumpet third woe to the inhabiters of the earth having great wrath knowing his time is short - the time/times/half time of Revelation 12:17. So how can Satan currently be in the bottomless pit, if he is cast down to earth in...
  6. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Since you agree that Revelation 19:11-21 is Jesus's Second Coming, then why can't you see that Satan being imprisoned for 1000 years in Revelation 20 is after Jesus's Second Coming ?
  7. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I will continue to present my charts as I choose. But, can you state whether you Agree or disagree to the following... Jesus's Second Coming is in Revelation 19:11-21. Agree or disagree ?
  8. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No, you were not stating a fact. You were attacking me, making false accusations with your statement... which is very vague. You don't name what symbolic old and New Testament literature. And you don't name what NT letters. You were attacking me. "Without fail you think more highly...
  9. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Then provide your interpretation for each of them.
  10. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    jeff, I don't see how any of those things are an answer to the "agree or disagree" question to you. I will focus on just one. Jesus's Second Coming is in Revelation 19:11-21. Agree or disagree ?
  11. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    jeff, you wrote.... "Without fail you think more highly of your own interpretation of symbolic old and New Testament literature than you do of plainly written informative NT letters by people of the Lords own choosing." You are attacking me personally.
  12. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Spritual Israelite: "I believe the tribulation from..." Douggg: What tribulation are you referring to? Jesus said there would be a period of great tribulation immediately preceding His Return, in Matthew 24:15-21. Spritiual Israelite: "...the Amil perspective has to do with a time...
  13. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Because I am pointing out specifically is in the bible regarding Jesus's Second Coming, Satan being cast into the bottomless pit prison, and Satan not being released until the thousand years are over. I am asking in stages which scriptures, he agrees with or disagrees with. Jesus's Second...
  14. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    See ? Above, you are doing a personal attack instead of addressing... Jesus's Second Coming is in Revelation 19:11-21. Agree or disagree ? At which time, Satan is cast into the bottomless pit prison in Revelation 20:1-3. Agree or disagree ? Satan's last deception is 1000 years after Jesus's...
  15. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Go back a few verses to 2Thessalonians2:3-4. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is...
  16. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Apparently, you as a Amil don't care, as you also don't care about how the 15 end times time frames given in the bible fit together. Amil has no end times scenario of what is going to take place right before Jesus's Second Coming. For example, Amil, what is the 42 months reign of the...
  17. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Jesus's Second Coming is in Revelation 19:11-21. Agree or disagree ? At which time, Satan is cast into the bottomless pit prison in Revelation 20:1-3. Agree or disagree ? Satan's last deception is 1000 years after Jesus's Second Coming. Agree or disagree ?
  18. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Show what you know first. Like the path which end times events will be fulfilled. i.e. a timeline of end times events. The events of Ezekiel 39 for example.
  19. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    It has to do with the 7 year 70th week "trib" of the pre-trib view. The confirmation of the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is what pre-trib begins the 7 year 70th week.
  20. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Do you know what the Jews (Judaism) are looking for in their anticipated messiah ? The 70 weeks of Daniel 9 are determined upon Daniel's people - the Jews - and Jerusalem.