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He AJ, You are not the first person on here that has said, "thank God for Luther"! When you thank God for something it suggests you think God wanted it to happen, blessed it, ordained it etc. If you believe that God ordained what Luther did, you must agree with the teachings of the Luteran...

Thank you for your opinion. My opinion is that it does support Roman primacy. Doing some brief research on all his letters the one to the Roman church gives much more praise to that church saying in part; "worthy of being deemed holy, and which presides over love,"

Your SDA rules say they can discipline you so the answer is YES Marymog. If I don't believe my elders, I get disciplined!! End of discussion.......

No, you (we) have not focused on one letter. Once again, in post #1,617 you said in regard to his letter to the Romans, The concept Iggy was expressing with ἥτις καὶ προκάθηται ἐν τόπῳ χωρίου Ῥωμαίων is that the church at Rome was presiding in the Italian peninsula, not worldwide. In that post...

Where does Scripture say that?

Hold on Redfan. You have me confused. I must have missed a post on this or I am confusing the flow of the discussion. I agree with you that the Letter to the Smyrnaeans does not support the notion that Rome had primacy during Ignatius time. But in post #1,617 your entire defense of you...

Let's try this again. Focus on the questions. When you answer my quesitons I will answer yours kiddo: YOU are telling ME why I don't enjoy talking to you? How about if you just ASK instead of presuming why I don't like talking to you?

Hey dodgeball....Lets try this for the 3rd, Or is it the 4th time: If you don't believe your elders, do you get disciplined?

You do know that individual Catholics don't make doctrine for The Church?

Lol....You do know that individual Catholics don't make doctrine for The Church? Right? So the names you listed can not make doctrine for The Church any more than I can. You crack me up... But let's stay in your anti-Catholic, lack of knowledge about your own Christian history or The Church you...

How about this kiddo. Stop partially quoting what I said and address everything that I said. I accused you of bearing false witness. Are you going to address your lie or continue your childish, gibberish rant promoting your anti-Catholic agenda? Like I said in my post, of which you partially...

I asked you 2 questions dodgeball and you didn't answer them: YOU are telling ME why I don't enjoy talking to you? How about if you just ASK instead of presuming why I don't like talking to you?

Lol...You ask @Jude Thaddeus to be honest after you were dishonest? Who do you confess to (James 5:16)? :IDK: Page #372-375 of the Catechism talks about Penance. So if you are going to be honest, which I know you won't be, quote ALL of what The Church teaches about Penance instead of bearing...

Lol.....The agenda I am following???? You crack me up Brakelite. As the walls start crumbling in on you you deflect and start pointing fingers or just refuse to answer my questions. I have learned that about you!! This thread is about where the Pope gets his authority. Staying on the topic of...

Lol....YOU are telling ME why I don't enjoy talking to you? How about if you just ASK instead of presuming why I don't like talking to you?

Nice try dodge ball. Look back at most of your post on this thread. They are OFF TOPIC. Lets try again: If you don't believe your elders, do you get disciplined?

Nice try dodge ball. You are off topic. My question is based on authority of church leaders, your church leaders, so it is more on topic than most of your posts here. Please answer the question: If you don't believe your elders, do you get disciplined?

Yes, I obey The Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth! I obey The Church that was given the authority by Christ to decide if I am right or wrong and should be kicked out of The Church if I don't obey it....Just like Scripture says. Here is what you believe/practice which is...

When the commandments of the church are contradictory to the commandments of Jesus according to who? YOU!!! Which is what I have been saying all along. YOU decide what the truth is and if the men of the SDA disagree with YOUR TRUTH then they are wrong and you are right.

I checked those posts. No, you didn't answer that question in any of those posts. I now see you don't think that the men of the SDA teach the truth. It appears you have never said that on this forum. You don't even trust your own men to teach you the Truth So, back to the subject of this...