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No, you didn't. You selectivly quoted 6 words from a verse that had 30 words. That verse has NOTHING to do with what we are discussing. you crack me up

Obey those that rule over you, for they watch out for your soul. Therein are some things hard to understand, which those who are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction. Not so difficult to understand, is it?

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Lol...Nope. You haven't touched a nerve with me and I am not triggered :Laughingoutloud: You crack me up!! Soooooo a person chooses to join the Adventist church because when they studied Scripture on their own that person recognized that the teachings of the Adventist Church reflect what they...

I am doing what you refuse to do: Adhere to Scripture. Submit yourselves to your elders and obey those that rule over you, for they watch out for your soul. They are worthy of double honor. Elders are to keep watch over themselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made them...

Since you have NO SCRIPTURE in your above post to back up what you are saying then that means you have given your opinion. Thanks for your opinion. I will repeat Scripture: The Holy Spirit may REVEAL the Truth to individual Christians, but The Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth. Not...

Bible lesson time Brakelite! :woohoo!: Jesus did NOT say that the Holy Spirit will guide EVERY Christian into Truth. Problem 1 with YOUR INTERPRETATION of that passage: Every Protestant Reformer, including your men who in the 1800's reformed the teachings of the reformers, would be preaching...

I went to the SDA website and it is chalked full of the things that @Brakelite is supposed to believe. It has a drop-down tab listing their OFFICIAL beliefs, Statements and Manuals all the way from the Holy Scriptures to The New Earth (whatever that one means). Yet he says that "no man has the...

Yup, we agree on that and I have been saying that all along. No individual man "has the right to decide on behalf of others what scripture means". The Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth, has that right. And if you refuse to listen to The Church you are ex-communicated from The...

Ummmmm.....individual Christians are not the pillar and foundation of truth. The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15) and if you refuse to listen to The Church you are ex-communicated, just like Scripture says (Matthew 18:17). Sooooo you can get out of your fanasy world...

Yes, I know the truth because I listen to The Church and The Church decides the truth just like Scripture says in 1 Timothy 3:15 and the truth has set me free just like Scripture says in John 8:32. Scripture has, as you said, decided the truth. But you and your men deny the truth. Here is one...

YES, you did admit that your men don't know the truth of Scripture. QUOTE FROM YOU: The scriptures decide what is truth. Not your men. Or my men. Or any man. You crack me up.....But dishonesty shouldn't be funny.

Give one passage that says he wasn't. Since there is not a single passage that says he was or wasn't then one has to look at all of the NT and historical Christian writings. If one reads all of the NT it is easy to see that he was. Even your Protestant bible scholars agree. Post #1460 and 1461...

You have a weird way of looking at things TItus OR your men from your denomination have done a poor job of teaching you and failed you OR, if you are self-taught on the study of Scripture, you have failed yourself. No scholar would "demand" that Scripture be read in Aramaic. After reading all...

Hey @RedFan. I asked 5 questions of you in the above post. Are you ever going to address them? YOU are the one that wanted to have the conversation and now you are not conversating. Mary

Redfan, I agree with you Redfan. That letter does not speak of Papacy. But if you take into consideration what else Ignatius wrote, his writings come together to show he believes in Papal authority over The Church AND bishops who are over their local jurisdictions. to the church also which...

Can I push back? Pseudo graphical or not, it is accepted as Scripture therefore it must be treated as such. Even if it wasn't written by Peter, it very well could be a historical record of what Peter said/did etc. Written by a close acquaintance, a student of Peter or historian writing down...

Titus, Your suggestion makes no sense. When historical scholars are researching the history of an organization they don't ignore the evidence from the organization they are researching. They take the evidence they have, see if it is real AND look for outside sources to verify that evidence if...

Lol....Got it. You have no historical evidence. So what you wrote was your opinion, not historical fact. Thank you for your opinion. Mary

:jest: Please provide your source. Thank you, Mary