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  1. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    You state: I'm not sure that's the most faithful interpretation of that passage. Now...I don't know that I believe we can say that a Rapture will happen 7 years before Jesus' return… The foregoing statement give evidence that you are not yet “established in the truth” (2 Pet 1:12), upon this...
  2. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    The question now is what is this “Covenant of Sacrifice” that the true followers of Christ are supposed to be under? Where is it mentioned in the scriptures, and what are its requirements? The call to sacrifice, “Gather my saints together to me; those that have made a covenant with me by...
  3. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    It is evident from this response that your knowledge of the various covenants mentioned in the scriptures is somewhat limited therefore we should probably begin with a review of some of these. A clear appreciation of the divine covenants is important and valuable to the Christian. In the...
  4. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    I will address this post first as your reply to my prior post will require more attention. As I said most emphatically in several post now, we are not Seventh Day Adventist we are Bible Students, that’s it, that’s our nomenclature, of course it’s not actually a title or anything it’s just what...
  5. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Ones faith should not be in an institution or the head of that institution, it should be in the Lord and in his word. The difficulty with many and this includes Protestants as well, is that they worship their organization or sect as much as they claim they worship the Lord, the two become so...
  6. Harvest 1874

    The True Bible Chronology, the “Times and the seasons”, Part 8

    Having examined the first five periods of Bible Chronology, we believe that we have established that from the creation to the end of the period of judges a total of 3009 years elapsed. Let us now examine the final two periods of chronology recorded in the bible beginning with Link # 24 in the...
  7. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, no need to get worked up over it, it is not essential to ones salvation.
  8. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Was our Lord baptized in 27 A.D. or 29 A.D.? Let’s review the facts. John the Baptist was six months older than our Lord (Luke 1:26, 36); hence he was of age (thirty years, according to the Law--Num. 4:3; Luke 3:23, etc.) and began to preach six months before our Lord became of age and began...
  9. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    You state: I suspect my using of the term, and you’re using of the term, Dispensationalist, is different. Yours is probably more accurate, as I use mine to describe the group of people who believe in the 'secret rapture' before the 7 year Tribulation. Usually that's how they identify themselves...
  10. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    As the Apostle Paul once said, “I am set for the defense of the truth”, therefore I cannot in all good conscious support error, nor even give the impression that I condone it. “The truth is God’s representative, Christ’s representative, and hence our standard; and as true soldiers we must...
  11. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    If you accept the 457 B.C. date then that means you believe that 483 years later in A.D. 26 our Lord was baptized, anointed the Christ and likewise that our Lord was crucified in the spring of A.D. 30 instead of the generally accepted and well establish date spring A.D. 33 I would advise you go...
  12. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    You state: … all Dispensationalist ARE futurists, are they not? No they are not, I personally believe in dispensationalism that is as it is taught in the scriptures, but I am certainly not a believer in the erroneous doctrine propagated by futurist. My belief is pretty much that which was...
  13. Harvest 1874

    The Abomination of Desolation, Part 2

    Continued from our previous post. Christ’s continual sacrifice was not actually canceled or abolished by Papacy, but it was set aside by a false doctrine advanced by that system — which gradually, but in the end fully and completely, set aside the merit of Christ’s sacrifice as a continual...
  14. Harvest 1874

    The Abomination of Desolation

    This was posted in one of the threads on the forum, but due to its importance I felt it should be posted here for any who missed it. "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, stand in the holy place (whosoever reads let him understand): then...
  15. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    “Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks (69 weeks)…” Sorry but we must insist on the date 454 B.C. as the 69 symbolic weeks (or 483 years) were to reach unto...
  16. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    “The Seventy Weeks of Daniel, or four hundred and ninety days, represent four hundred and ninety years, each SYMBOLIC day representing a year. Note: The authority for using a day to represent a year comes from God himself; that is, He has made the application. (See Ezek 4:6 Compare with Num...
  17. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    I believe you are attempting to connect the term dispensationalism with futurism as though they were one in the same, this of course is not correct. The term Dispensationalism as given in the New Oxford American Dictionary is: “Christian Theology, a belief in a system of historical progression...
  18. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Continued from previous post. Christ’s continual sacrifice was not actually canceled or abolished by Papacy, but it was set aside by a false doctrine advanced by that system — which gradually, but in the end fully and completely, set aside the merit of Christ’s sacrifice as a continual and...
  19. Harvest 1874

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Our friend brakelite has given us a very good general outline (both historical and scriptural) of events leading up to the Antichrist (system), we should therefore like to follow suit, but here we will focus more on one particular aspect of the deceptive system which when rightly understood...
  20. Harvest 1874

    The True Bible Chronology, the “Times and the seasons”, Part 7

    “The Period of the Judges” continued from previous post. Thus far we have a total of 301 years, this is confirmed by Jephtha. Thus two thirds through the judges God confirms that our process is correct. In Judges 11:26 Jephtha points out that Israel had possession of Ammon’s land for three...