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It isn't one or the other. And I'm not talking about God's wrath, but eternal torment. The scriptures are clear in innumerable places. The wages of sin is death. Not the wages of sin is eternal life in torment.

Anyone who agrees with you in this, that God tortures people for all eternity with unrelenting agony and suffering, do not know God as they should. God is love. Where is the love in eternal torment?

The scriptures had long been available to the Celtic church, originally in itala, not Latin, derived from the Syrian church, not Roman. Copies of that Bible were produced in their hundreds over the centuries by the Celtic mission schools of Iona, Lindisfarne, and Whitby. Those schools were the...

They weren't invisible. If they were, the Catholic Church wouldn't have been able to send crusades to destroy them. They were organized mission focused organizations, with their own bishops/overseas (we won't go there) and a head they called Catholicos. The papal church was only just then...

Well, I am glad you also deny such a thing. However, you said God breathed into Adam the breath of life which elsewhere you equate to our 'real self', which enjoys the pleasure and sights of heaven and hell after death. The next logical step is to accept that the 'real self' with conscious...

Earlier in Luke 16 there were other parables... 1 ¶ And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods... And in the previous chapter there is... 11 ¶ And he said, A certain man had two sons: I...

It's a realm??

However, that is just a shallow throw away intellectual argumentative response that contributes nothing. The real reason why you cannot kill me, even though you might like to, is because our society is built on a foundation of morality which is intrinsically a part of the nature of God, as we...

Because you need someone to expose the fallacies of your beliefs.

Uh huh. So all the dead from all ages are alive and well in Abraham's bosom. I hope you don't think that is literal. But whatever it is, it must be big. It also is right next door, within a short distance, to hell where the wicked are in torment, even before they have been judged. And even...

When I consider what you've written above, and then compare that with what you had written previously in the same post, in order to be consistent you will now have to make a case for pre-existence. That this life is the result of a type of reincarnation. Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

Here's the true church... KJV Ezekiel 9:4 4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. Here's the true church...

Anyone wondered who Antipas was that Jesus referred to as a faithful martyr during the time of the early church? In the absence of there being a literal person historically of that name, could be we need to understand what his name meant, and therefore apply it spiritually to the character of...

The true church throughout biblical history was called the remnant. They were always, always, in the minority.... Hidden away for the most part in the wilderness... Persecuted by the majority. Seldom persecuted by the state, but mostly by the apostate church who used the state as it's personal...

Having faith is essential, absolutely, but in what? Ultimately, having faith means believing what God has said. Accepting His promises, and believing He is willing and able to accomplish that which He has said. So. Does it do anyone any good to have faith in stuff God has not said? Let me say...

I would be willing to concede the point if it disagreed with the rest of scripture. But to believe all souls continue to exist beyond the grave in a conscious habitat and state of awareness with the ability to communicate, think, and act, is to believe the human soul/Spirit to be naturally and...

It isn't the event I'm speaking against, just the timing. So you believe this... KJV Revelation 20:7-9 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to...

It's actually something I already knew but had forgotten. Good on you for reminding me .

Good point.

You could very well be right. Or it could simply be the presence of God Himself revealing Himself to mankind without a Mediator... The Consuming Fire.