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And I didn't say anything in response indicating liking or not liking anything. My response was, unequivocally, that I was not establishing any such claim, ridiculous or otherwise. Both "ways" you articulated were ridiculous, and never would I hold to either. And I was very clear in saying...

Hey, Scott, are you saying you think it is possible in this life to cease sinning, to be sinless? If so, I would disagree with that. We should understand what John says here in the same light as what Paul says in Romans 7, that regarding sinning, Paul says, "it is no longer I who do it, but...

David, Jesus, in His conversation with Nicodemus in John 8, cites the wind as metaphorical of the Holy Spirit, Who comes and goes as He wishes. Wind does not "wish," or think in any way. We "hear" the Holy Spirit in that we experience the effects He has on/in us. I'm being a bit facetious...

Nope. No, but they will not be condemned for it. No. It's not equivalent at all. The answer to all three of your previous questions is no. Grace and peace to you.

Well, surely you will agree, I think, that no one can hide from God. To Him we are all exposed, even though we may hide ~ either physically or spiritually speaking, but even more so spiritually, which is the point of that particular passage of Genesis as well as the rest of scripture. But if...

Let's put it in slightly different ~ more scriptural ~ terms: Once one is born again of the Spirit and thus in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come (2 Corinthians 5:17). There is then, therefore now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus (Romans...

Well, the text says that when Adam and Even ate the fruit, they saw that they were naked, and thus sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths (Genesis 3:7). And then we read in Genesis 3:8 that they heard the sound of God walking in the garden and thus hid themselves from His...

Yes. :) And the Holy Spirit was there, too. Yes. God. :) Grace and peace to you.

Once we are saved, sure. Because still, even our belief, like everything else about us in this life, is imperfect. Before that, though, we don't think we have any need of salvation, so therefore no desire of assurance of such. Faith, the assurance of God, is far more than than that, really...

Well, Calvin said/wrote it, because God did, through John: "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of...

Exactly. Well no, the faith we have is God's assurance given to us (Hebrews 11:1). It's a work of God, not our own doing but the gift of God, not a result of human works, so that no one may boast as Paul puts it (Ephesians 2:8-9), a result of His causing us to be born again to a living hope...

PinSeeker: With all due respect, Renniks, this is a silly statement. Everyone is born in sin and in need of salvation in Christ and therefore justification. Being a member of God's elect even before the foundation of the world just means ("just" ~ wow, as if it is some mere thing) that at some...

Paul does that, KC, because he is saved, and because of God's work in him. This is exactly what we were talking about in this thread. He is making his calling and election sure ~ making it evident both to himself and others ~ not in his own power but in God's, just as he implores the...

So great that we were both on the very same verse. See above, and note what Paul says in verse 13. Grace and peace to you.

Nope. Didn't miss it at all. The principle is true, and the warning stands. But by the power of God via His Spirit Who is with us and Whom we walk in, we will continue in His goodness. You might note what Paul says to the Philippians: "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling...

Again: kcknalp: OSAS is a license to sin! PinSeeker: Absolutely not. That's very contrary to God's word. If one is saved, his heart is changed, and he dies to himself and lives to God. And from that point forward, he is striving to put off the old sinful self and put on the new creation...

It is what "OSAS" ~ well, at least the right "OSAS"... :) ~ teaches. The endurance is itself of God, not of the person in and of himself. This is why we are given the Spirit. Grace and peace to you.

Well that's kind of what I've said several times KC. Not all "OSASers" are equal. :) Grace and peace to you.

Absolutely not. That's very contrary to God's word. If one is saved, his heart is changed, and he dies to himself and lives to God. And from that point forward, he is striving to put off the old sinful self and put on the new creation that he is in Christ... struggling against sin, and...

Um, as an "OSASer," ~ eye roll ~ I don't think that at all. Are you unsaved? Well, I don't know, really, because I don't know you, and even if I did, I still can't see your heart. No, the fact that you believe one can lose salvation even after having been saved and born again of the Spirit...