Search results

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

  1. Douggg

    What triggers the Great Tribulation ?

    Antiochus set up a statue image of Zeus in the temple - which is a fore shadowing of the time of the end abomination of desolation - except that the statue image that Antiochus set up did not have life to it, nor spoke. The false prophet, not the beast-king (the former Antichrist), is the one...
  2. Douggg

    What triggers the Great Tribulation ?

    The holy place where the abomination of desolation will be "set up", Daniel 12:11-12, will be the temple mount. That is where the beast, the false prophet, and Satan (concealed within the abomination of desolation statue image) will be when Jesus returns.
  3. Douggg

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Yes, Deuteronomy 30:1-6 verses 4-6 is the Matthew 24:31 event. It is also in Ezekiel 39:28, Jesus Himself speaking in the text verses 21-29 having returned to this earth, His Second Coming. Ezekiel 39: 28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into...
  4. Douggg

    What triggers the Great Tribulation ?

    For them in Judaea, the action Jesus said to take when the abomination of desolation is standing in a holy place (the temple mount) is to flee to the mountains. That is not the action given for when tribulation in general comes to Christians. The great tribulation will be a unique...
  5. Douggg

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    No, it is not an angel, nor angels as in Matthew 24:31, who perform the rapture/resurrection. Jesus Himself speaking in John 5:25. John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. In...
  6. Douggg

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    The rapture is by Jesus's voice. Differently, in Matthew 24:31, Jesus sends His angels out to gather the elect. Matthew 24:31 is talking about the Jews. Deuteronomy 30: 1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set...
  7. Douggg

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    You are still not reading verse 20. How long is 1600 furlongs ? 20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
  8. Douggg

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    The text says the winepress of God's wrath. In other words, smashed like grapes, i.e. killed. What you are missing is that the angel carries out God's judgment on the wicked in the area of Israel which is OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF JERUSALEM. Verse 20 But within the city of Jerusalem, it is...
  9. Douggg

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    The rapture is by a voice - not a sickle. You are leaving out Revelation 14:20. Jesus executes God's judgment on them who come up against Jerusalem. The angel with the sickle executes God's judgment of them outside of Jerusalem, Revelation 14:20.
  10. Douggg

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Tim, it was not a new heaven and earth after the flood. The earth and atmosphere were changed, but not replaced. There are dinosaur fossils found worldwide in this present earth. When Jesus returns, He will restore this present earth from the damage to it done during the great tribulation...
  11. Douggg

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Yes, those verses are at the end of the great tribulation. But no, those verses in Revelation 14 are not about the rapture. In the verses... 1, Jesus is given a sickle. 2. And an angel is given a sickle. The verses are metaphorical speaking about judgment on the wicked, who are...
  12. Douggg

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    As Peter is talking about the Day of the Lord, the new heaven and new earth he refers to in 2Peter3:13 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
  13. Douggg

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Tim, the Day of the Lord does not have an end. Many things (let's call them phases) take place once the Day of the Lord begins and ultimately enters the eternity state of all creation in blessings as God intends. The first phase I think we can describe as rebellion and upmost troubles -...
  14. Douggg

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Yes, 2Thessalonians2:1 is referring to the rapture. Matthew 24:31 though is not referring to the rapture, but the completion of the gathering of all Jews back to land of Israel. Go take a look at Ezekiel 39:26-29. The gathering of the Jews back to the land of Israel is in those verses as...
  15. Douggg

    keep eye on temple mount

    keras, in Ezekiel 39:22, is this indicating that it is a Christian nation, that you call Beulah, in the holy land at the time of the Gog/Magog attack ? Christians already know that Jesus is God, but the Jews presently do not. 22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their...
  16. Douggg

    keep eye on temple mount

    Designated as Waqf by Muslims, right ? I think it means that in their view the temple mount belongs to Muslims and cannot be designated for any other purpose than practice of Islam. So there is probably no chance of a negotiation that a Jewish Temple could be built on the temple mount to...
  17. Douggg

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Are you referring to Matthew 24:31 as being a rapture ? If so, the gathering in Matthew 24:31 is not a rapture but is referring to the gathering of all of the children of Israel back to the land of Israel. The wording in verse 31 is taken from Deuteronomy 30:1-6 of a promise God made to the...
  18. Douggg

    Why Satan Will Be the Final Antichrist

    The star falling from heaven opens the bottomless pit - which the locust creatures come out of the bottomless pit. And in verse 11... 11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name...
  19. Douggg

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
  20. Douggg

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    The "possibility" that the rapture take place right this very second is in Mathew 24:37-51. The emphasis of being ready is in verse 44. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. While we can't say that the rapture will happen on a certain...