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LOL, when one shares Scripture that is easily proven to be incorrect, yes, that is fruitless.

The world cannot be reconciled to Him until the resurrection, although He is reconciling man one at a time. How hard is this to understand? I've shown it to you in Scripture. I guess it's just not what you want and just won't accept!

I've already explained this but I think it was on the other thread just before I started this thread but I'll explain it again. God is the Saviour of all men because there is no other Saviour. Every person in the world will have to come to Him through Christ, He stands alone as the only way...

It's second guessing God! Such nonsense as "would a loving God torture man forever" is not rational behavior, You call that "rational discussion?" I call it stupidity! All of your reasoning will not change what God has said.

LOL, this is the standard UR, "rational discussion" that they like to sideline with! I've already told you how I feel about "rational discussions" with the UR. Give me another one of your favorite UR verses and we will have some real discussion.

No, it's not to much to ask! There are some things I don't understand about your view of UR. We can help clarify our positions as we move along on these verses.

Restoration is not just about man, Steven! It includes fallen animal life, fallen plant life, even the cursed fallen ground. This is the restoration of all things, and I intend to prove it. Just keep the verses coming, we have much more to discuss on restoration, which will be revealed if you...

Not right! I've already claimed victory in this thread, let's just keep talking over the verses and you will sooner or later see it for yourself.

Took a short nap and ready to go again, Brother. I am applying death to death in Adam and I am applying Life to Life in Christ. It is NOT all men that receive life IN CHRIST, Steven. That is a choice of man. Death in Adam was no choice. We plainly see the choice of LIFE IN CHRIST being...

Matthew, we are not on the same page here! When you use the phrase "the world is reconciled" you are explaining the reconciliation of man. when I use that same phrase, I'm speaking of a much broader reconciliation, the world. There is a difference in the "reconciling of man" and the...

OK, that's fine! It's been a long day on the boards for me, covering 2 different sites. It's sack time for me anyway.

Have you got a verse you would like to present?

Yes, it's fine with me also.

I'm sorry if you guys can't see that all "in Christ" are the born-again. I thought I explained well enough for a child to understand.

I have to disagree, Matthew. The world will be reconciled when you and I are with Him in body and soul, and His creation is restored to it's original state as the Garden of Eden. The way God intended for it to be.

No one can help you now, Steven. You're in the quicksand.

There I go again with my spelling, just not paying attention, but I have you, Steven. I can't believe you are not seeing what I'm saying!

Oh, Brother, you have no idea how many times ol' Charlie has shot himself in the foot. I don't want to go there, lol. But we learn from our mistakes, right! We keep pressing for the mark of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus, right! There's no shame in being wrong at times, the shame is...

But I am right, keep talking and I'll prove it to where even you can see it. LOL

I'm implying (sorry, don't be angry) the UR gang doesn't pay attention to context! That's how they make these constant blunders! Let me say this, the phrase "in Christ" is common usage for Paul, he uses this many times in his letters, so there's no mistake of what he's saying and means. For...