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She gave birth to Jesus, savior of the world. Nothing in the bible about her being immaculate. Nothing about her being sinless. All this stuff has to be read into scripture which we all know is called eisegesis. Why not just stick with what the bible says? She was favored. She called out to God...

At the great commission Jesus said make disciples, not simply to baptize. Water baptism always follows the new birth. The new birth includes being given the Holy Spirit. The gospel always had preeminence. Thanks for allowing me to clarify.

She was favored in verse 28, she was perplexed and the angel clarified by saying she was favored in verse 30. Not rocket science. Yes marys IC is a hoax. Shes not sinless, she needed a savior just like all of us do. Jesus doesn't need a sinless mary to be sinless Himself. Thats a bit flawed...

I don't believe its a contradiction at all. Can a person arrive in heaven without the Holy Spirit in their life? Can a person arrive in heaven having only been water baptized? Paul even said 'Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel.' Paul separates water baptism from the...

You didn't say anything. Where does it say the thief on the cross had a work of faith?

And?

Where is it said the thief on the cross 'had a work in faith?' Or are you just making it up?

Why do you think He was baptized?

Didn't you read my post? Its in there. Why was Jesus baptized? For the remission of sin? For salvation? There is an answer for that too. Care to venture a guess?

Precisely, the word they received was Peters preaching. Not rocket surgery. They hear the gospel, receive it and are born again...THEN we are baptized. Water baptism has nothing to do with salvation. Its a step of obedience after we are saved.

Repent precedes baptism. Always has, always will. Baptism comes after one believes. Acts 2:41 41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. Those who received the word were baptized.

If the 'Greta's' of the world think we're in trouble now, read Revelation! Its Gods planet, and its disposable. We couldn't possibly do to the planet what God is about to do. Get ready people!!

More non answers. Okay. Take your time.

Waiting with baited breath.

Already did. You chose not to engage but deflect.

You haven't presented any truth, but romes version of the truth. Hardly a trustworthy source.

I tried getting us back on track discussing the topic, purgatory. So when catholics go ape over the current IC discussion point to your own. If you want to flesh out marys IC, start a thread. And btw, your post is simply an argument from emotion. Not a lick of it in scripture to back up anything...

I see. You prefer monologue over dialogue. A true catholic indeed! Anyone that disagrees with YOUR interpretation HAS to be wrong. When you can't correctly define basic biblical words then i'd say you are the one that is flawed. Simple test. Just show us where a lexicon defines charitoo as...

Of course. Mary is a great example. But then so are all believers in Jesus. Highly favored does not mean full of grace. This is just basic grammar 101. Which makes the rest of your post moot. To be specific. Her 'yes' was in response to a command, not a question. The text says 'you will...'...

Kecharitomene isn't a title. She was favored by God. And the word doesn't mean full of grace either. I haven't found a lexicon yet that says charitoo means full of grace. Unless that can be provided??