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You guys may want to have a closer look at this; Now Christ will be collecting his elect from one end of the earth to the other but he also says from one end of the heavens to the other. Now whether we get scattered across the heavens by our own power or we get carried there by others is...

Who Are The Hosts Of Heaven This is where we start to get into areas that I tend to label as the X Files categories. This is an area that is avoided because of political correctness, theological sterility and it is also an area where the scriptures tend to get ignored and swept under the...

Ok this shows the relationship. The accusations are presented to God the Father and it is Jesus the son that acts as our advocate. Jesus is not his Father; Note that Jesus does not sit on the throne of God but on his own throne located at the right hand of his Fathers throne.

When Lucifer fell he took a third of the heavenly host with him. There is a controversy that has to be settled, the only way to do this is to let the chain of events play out in the open for all to see so that the deceptions Lucifer used are exposed for what it is. This is why Jesus made it...

God the Father is the judge, The human committed the sin. A price needs to be paid for that sin, someone has to take the punishment, if Christ takes the punishment for that sin then the human sinner is set free. Because justus had been served. The sin was committed by a human so the punishment...

True but that is the end objective.

It was a surprise to me too when I first found out. Lucifers fall was of his own making, got violent in his trading of precious stones etc. He is the one that developed the principles of mammon. Yes God did cast him out of heaven and will get rid of him altogether but in the mean time he is...

You have missed that Jesus came to reconcile this world back to the Father, not to himself.

This whole thing reminds me of a study on the book of revelation. I can take twenty well schooled scholars and when it comes to the last book no two can agree. In fact I have had a pastor tell me that he has taken the pan position, How ever it pans out is just how it is going to go. But in the...

Look at verse two, I notice everybody seems to want to ignore verse two. So lets look further in that Gospel to see if there is any clarification. Well look at that, God is still the one calling the shots, He sent his word into this world to become his only begotten Son and he was called Jesus.

A distinction made between God and the Word and they both worked together to do the creation.

Note the separation between Christ and the Father I could go on through the rest of them but the implication is obvious. The original disciples understood the distinction between the two.

Stop being a prick.

I remember when this Jesus is God doctrine first came out, it caught me by surprise as well, That was back in the day when Trent operated this forum. The subject caused a lot of division and the religiosity was out of control. There was bannings left right and centre, infact it was the first...

That is at the battle of Armageddon which only comes later. After the last bowls of wrath have been poured out. He returns with his saints and stays.

Psa 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. Psa...

It is only the Father that called himself the God of the Gods, not Jesus.

I wish people would stop taking things out of context, If you go a little further down in John chapter 10 you get this, and this is Jesus himself speaking.

Really quite amazing to see.

Jesus is not his Father. They are two separate personalities.