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Nevermind. If you can't follow along forget it.

Who were you talking about then?

What are you talking about? I answered the father question.

I already gave my answer with scripture.

Why are you making stuff up? I didn't say I sit with him. No I don't in a physical sense. I have in a spiritual sense. One thing have I asked of the Lord, that will I seek after: that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life, to gaze upon the beauty of the Lord and to...

Go back and read your post then. Here's your words: Why do men CALL the UNSEEN God in Heaven.......FATHER? WHO said so? And WHY? Do you know?

So you can see partake of God as a pagan? Where's that in scripture?

No it's not. Because you aren't exactly like your Father. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. That's different than just looking like Dad. I and the Father are one.” If you had known me, you would have known my Father also.

You asked where God as Father comes from... remember?

1 Corinthians 8:6 - But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Ephesians 4:6 - One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Matthew 23:9 - And call no man...

He looks like his Father. In fact, he's the perfect image of his Father.

Yes and no. No one fully understands the infinite. But God isn't hiding himself. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation... And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together... Of course we can not fully grasp this. But we know enough.

Yes that's why he sent his son so we could see him as he is.

I really don't know what you are trying to say. Sounds like some kind of new age mystical junk.

Of course they did.

Splitting hairs.

I was talking about the gnostics.

Yes and I'm pretty sure the major one was fatalistic, similar to Calvinism.

But people do return to the law. They just change it a bit. They try to earn salvation by wearing certain clothes, attending church more often, putting money in the plate, doing good deeds and so on. If one relays on these things to save them, they have created their own law and bypassed the cross.

Scripture disagrees with you. We are seated in the heavenly places now. It's not just a future event. 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.” 18 Whoever believes in him is not...