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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    Ok let's see if that's true: "I find, then, that man was constituted free by God. He was master of his own will and power…For a law would not be imposed upon one who did not have it in his power to render that obedience which is due to law. Nor again, would the penalty of death be threatened...
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    I will always protest against your warping of scripture.
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    So the twelve were not at the last supper?
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    Only they don't. Read the early church fathers... they all confirmed man has free will. But you think you know scripture better than those taught by the apostle John's followers.
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    Sigh. That doesn't answer my question.
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    The verse isn't about who controls salvation. It's about God having mercy on Israel when they didn't deserve it and God hardening Israel in response to thier rejection of Jesus, both of which was done to bring salvation to the world.
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    Really? Were the twelve not there with him? Of course they were. So what I said was truth.
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    No I'm laughing at your silly claims which don't match scripture.
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    Claiming free will exists is antichrist? That makes the vast majority of Christianity throughout history antichrist. What a strange claim.
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    Sigh. That doesn't answer my question.
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    Do you know where Paul quotes this from? And he said,“I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The LORD.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy." Exodus 33:19 It's where Moses wins an argument...
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    Lol, wow, twisting scripture to your whim again I see! You are just guessing. And again, they were all chosen to be part of his ministry, nothing to do with salvation.
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    Then nothing anyone does is sin. Then the only sinner is God. But we know that's nonsense. So free will is real.
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    What did I say that was incorrect? The two men you mentioned were chosen for a ministry. Not for salvation.
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    Perhaps you should try reading the rest of the book so you would understand what Paul is saying. Why do stop at verse 24 for example? And why do you start at 18?
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    In your theology whatever I do, even if I lie, kill or eat raw puppies, that's God's will. Who are you oh man to talk back to God?
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    Matthias and Joseph (also called Justus and Barsabbas) were selected as candidates for a particular ministry, just like the others. Nothing to do with salvation.
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    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    I don't know what that's supposed to mean. Of course the spirit indwells all believers. You are adding up one and one and getting three or something. I don't know what you think that has to do with the topic.