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  1. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Actually, it isn’t. The RCC has changed its position on issues over the years. People were once burned by the church for translating the Bible into vernacular languages … does the RCC still enforce Latin Only Bibles and Mass? Priests were once allows to marry.
  2. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Revelation 7:9-10 [NASB95] 9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; 10 and they...
  3. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    John 3:11-13 [NKJV] 11 "Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 "If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 "No one has ascended to heaven but...
  4. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Nothing at all. I have no interest in verses plucked from their context. This verse isn’t even a complete sentence, you have plucked a PHRASE out of a sentence to build a doctrine upon. That is a very poor foundation. I suspect that the entire paragraph that it was taken from says something...
  5. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    I am a bit reluctant to embrace the lake of fire. It is not a matter of personal repulsion, my opinions are irrelevant. I am wary of taking anything in Revelation (with as radical symbolism as a woman with celestial bodies being attacked by a dragon) and treating it as 100% literal. To apply...
  6. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Luke 16:19-31 certainly appears as if Jesus taught it as literal.
  7. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Proverbs 14:12 [NKJV] There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death. John 3:14-21 [NKJV] 14 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16...
  8. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    1 Timothy 4:10 [NLT] This is why we work hard and continue to struggle, for our hope is in the living God, who is the Savior of all people and particularly of all believers. Matthew 5:45 [NLT] In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight...
  9. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    βασανίζω: [imperfect ἐβασάνιζον]; 1 aorist ἐβασάνισα; passive [present βασανίζομαι]; 1 aorist ἐβασανίσθην; 1 future βασανισθήσομαι; (βάσανος); 1. properly, to test (metals) by the touchstone. 2. to question by applying torture. 3. to torture (2 Macc. 7:13); hence, 4. universally, to vex with...
  10. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    You think God was a liar. God told you what the choices are and what the consequences of those choices are. Deny His warning at your own peril.
  11. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Most of that was probably their personalities ... Spurgeon was called to be an Evangelist/Pastor while Calvin was a Theologian/Scholar. Spurgeon was probably more graceful that R.C. Sproul for the same reason. Part of it was probably the 1800's vs the 1600's. Luther was a Pastor and his...
  12. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    I would like to offer a Scriptural challenge to this "children's Sunday school" caricature of Jesus and His Disciples: Matthew 10: 11 “Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. 12 And when you go into a household, greet it. 13 If the...
  13. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    What you really mean is: "The way of the Lord is not fair." [Ezekiel 18:25; Ezekiel 18:29]
  14. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    The Greek Orthodox Church, which has read, written and spoken the language since before it was a Church and before the Apostles penned the autographs, has a perfect understanding of their language (just as English Scholars have a perfect understanding of Shakespearean English) and these native...
  15. atpollard

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Torment is to be created for ONE (and only one) purpose, and to revolt against your creator and forever be condemned to a meaningless existence because you were created to be an eternal being. Torment is to finally understand how great is the love that God had and how great was the price that...
  16. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    sigh ... being like the Bereans is a good thing: Acts of the Apostles 17:10-12 [NIV] 10 As soon as it was night, the believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in...
  17. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Romans 8:28-30 contradicts YOUR understanding of predestination. Romans 9 contradicts YOUR understanding of predestination. Ephesians 1:4-6 contradicts YOUR understanding of predestination. Ephesians 2:1-5 contradicts YOUR understanding of predestination. Your argument has been held up to the...
  18. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    I quoted SCRIPTURE verbatim and you are rejecting the WORD OF GOD and claiming it as the teaching of Calvin. It is YOU who should beware ... rejecting posted scripture as heretical teaching is never a good sign.
  19. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    I almost NEVER speak of Calvin for the simple reason that I am largely ignorant of his writings. I have never read them. I arrived at the 4 points of the Doctrines of Grace I presented in John 6:44 from reading scripture and trying to reconcile my personal salvation experience with the...