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  1. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Yup ... John 12: (Jesus said he will draw all) Jesus answered and said, “This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” This He...
  2. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Hard pass on that. I suggest that you start a topic on it. The best way to begin would be to clearly define both terms, preferably with scripture to support your definitions. Then we would have a chance to understand what you are claiming. What you really mean, is that you have never met a...
  3. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    You do realize that the heart of Reformed thinking is that EVERYONE uses their FREE and FALLEN will to choose NOT to trust God 100% of the time ... that is why God must DRAW SOME. Ephesians 2 puts it this way: "Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the...
  4. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Jesus didn't follow your pastor's advice. Our knowledge of judgement and being cast into eternal fire and gnashing of teeth comes from the lips of Jesus. Isn't that curious. [That said, TULIP isn't a tool for evangelism any more than the doctrine of the Trinity is a tool for Evangelism. If...
  5. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    I agree, but WHAT has that to do with understanding and explaining the meaning of John 6:44 within the context of John 6:41-51? [You really want to discuss anything and everything EXCEPT the one verse that I presented to refute your claim that "Calvinism" is contra Biblical (a "cult").] So to...
  6. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    think … think … think … I think your line of reasoning, if applied to John 6:44, renders Jesus a liar (disqualifying him from being our savior) and renders the verse in its context (as well as several other verses in John 6) utterly nonsensical … John 6:43-44 ”Quit complaining, you can’t come...
  7. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Instead, stick to the subject of your denial of the clear statements of Jesus about the Father in the Gospel of John. How about we revisit what Jesus ... GOD INCARNATE ... actually spoke in John 6:44 which we Reformed affirm as true and you accuse us of being a "cult" for so doing. How about...
  8. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another, and that of the Holy Spirit still another. But the...
  9. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day." - John 6:44 [NKJV] (Your complaint is with Jesus and the Apostle John ... the authors of that scripture ... not with me. Go tell THEM that they got it wrong.)
  10. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    "Knowledge can be communicated, but not wisdom. One can find it, live it, do wonders through it, but one cannot communicate and teach it.” - Hermann Hesse ... you lack wisdom and reject knowledge. No one can come to Me [ T ] unless the Father who sent Me [ U ] draws him, [ I ] and I will...
  11. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Most people are not on just one side, but a TOPIC really requires a strong opening position for people to agree or disagree with if it is to generate any real "debate" (in the academic meaning of the term). So I selected one side and defended it, then invited challenge to the position. "I...
  12. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    Verse that supports this bold claim, please.
  13. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    [begin sarcasm] No, I do not believe that Jesus was ever a man ... I am a follower of Docetism. [end sarcasm] Christians should assume that other Christians are Christians. :Ohpleze: 1 John 2:2 [NASB] and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the...
  14. atpollard

    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    (I did a search and it seems to have been a while since there was a topic dedicated to Limited Atonement.) There are different theories about REDEMPTION. We all, if we are Christian, believe that Jesus Christ died to redeem. Beyond that, different people teach a different NATURE of the...
  15. atpollard

    Satan - Ruler of This World

    If Jesus had returned in 1000 AD, you and I would have never been born and God could not have adopted us into His family. [2 Peter 3:9 NLT] The Lord isn't really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed...
  16. atpollard

    Would MLK vote for Dems?

    You mean GOD is not still on His throne!!!! :fearscream:
  17. atpollard

    Sharing God's words with fellow Christians is pointless

    Just out of curiosity ... did they actually ASK you a question or did you just FEEL like sharing? "God gave us two ears and one mouth so we could listen twice as much as we talk." "People who speak without listening are always answering questions that nobody is asking."
  18. atpollard

    Sharing God's words with fellow Christians is pointless

    What would you say to him if he wasn't ignoring you? (I don't think anything you posted here, so far, would be well received ... but I really liked the Butterflies.) ;)
  19. atpollard

    Clarification needed please

    Everyone who passes through these doors blesses this place. Some when they enter and others when they leave.
  20. atpollard

    Clarification needed please

    Slander Libel Defamation of Character Inciting to Riot ... just a short list of "free speech" that is prohibited. For Christians: You say, "I am allowed to do anything"--but not everything is good for you. You say, "I am allowed to do anything"--but not everything is beneficial. Don't be...