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marymog wrote: "In regards to New Catholic Encyclopedia, p. 299, v. 14, 1967. The Catholic Church has never denied that the Trinity doctrine came into being later. It is true that the Apostolic Fathers and ECF's never remotely approached such a mentality or perspective in regards to the Trinity...

marymog wrote: "tigger 2 is being a bit dishonest in his post. Tigger only quotes parts of his reference (Catholic Encyclopedia - “St. Ignatius of Antioch”) and leaves out the part that doesn't fit his narrative. He then adds a quote from anti-trinitarian 'scholar' and unitarian, Alvan Lamson."...

We were supposed to find any evidence of the identity of God (not a mention of the word "trinity") in the writing of 1 Clement. Here it is: The writing of Clement of Rome (c. 96 A. D.) to the Corinthians (1 Clement) is: “the earliest and most valuable surviving example of Christian literature...

From Catholic Encyclopedia - “St. Ignatius of Antioch” “Of later collections of Ignatian letters which have been preserved, the oldest is known as the "long recension". This collection, the author of which is unknown, dates from the latter part of the fourth century. It contains the seven...

Did you not see the part in blue in my post which followed your quote of Ignatius (long form). Do you know what short form and long form are referring to?

Who can find 1 Clement showing us Jesus or HS are equally God with the Father?

Reply to marymog: So, which of these is the first and most important Ante-Nicene Father (which you originally recommended)? While we wait, here's a bit on the two you quoted Ignatius of Antioch, a student of the Apostle John: For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with...

Apparently you don't understand the necessity of and the method of supplying references. Everything you quote from a source must have a complete reference. Author, Book, Page, Publisher & Date if possible. For Bible quotes a writer must have the name of the Bible, the writer, and chapter and...

I am asking you to actually do a little work and post for me only the parts of the writing of the first and most important Ante-Nicene Father which reveal a two or three-person God.

I glossed over your link. Haven't you glossed over my links to my personal studies? I have beside me at my computer the set of Ante-Nicene Fathers. I also have further translations by Dr. Sparks and by Lightfoot and Harmer (which includes the Greek text). I have even done a personal study on...

So, you continue defaming JWs when it is perfectly clear that multitudes of trinitarian scholars are those who have been quoted for you. JWs, other than myself, had nothing to do with the study which I repeated for you and you have basically ignored. By the way, please give references when you...

Answer to BOL #306 above: Alpha and Omega and the speaker confusion trick (from earlier post in this thread) To use the “speaker confusion trick” to “prove” that John is the Lord Almighty we would point to the fact that John was definitely speaking at Rev. 1:7, and then (by using our own...

JunChosen wrote (#300) in reply to overwhelming evidence by trinitarian scholars: "Stop bringing in the trinitarian scholars or any other scholars for their works are NOT INSPIRED!!!" T2 replied: "Do you mean like the trinitarian translators of the KJV or most other Bibles?" Or the many...

What did he write concerning the identity of God and Jesus? If there is real evidence in the Bible of a trinity, or even a binity, surely Clement would reflect that.

Sorry I'm not looking for papal authority. I want to see evidence of the trinity in this earliest evidence from the earliest Christian writer.

Do you mean like the trinitarian translators of the KJV or most other Bibles?

1 John 5:7 KJV continued Trinitarian scholar Robert Young [Young’s Analytical Concordance of the Bible; Young’s Literal Translation of the Bible; etc.] writes in his Concise Critical Commentary: “These words are wanting [lacking] in all the Greek MSS except two, in all the oldest Ancient...

............................................ 1 John 5:7 The King James Version (A. D. 1611) says at 1 Jn 5:7: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” Of course even this would not mean the three are the one God...

I believe a good Interlinear would be useful also.

........................................ If you would actually read what has been written for you above, you would see that the Watchtower has not presented the fact that Ehyeh at Ex. 3:14 (and in the rest of Moses' writings) is likely to be "I will be." It is the studies and translations of...