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You are setting up a few roadblocks. First, holding the view that some type of consensus is mandated is not warranted, and secondly, assuming that an overarching code that can "accurately" adjudicate all situations must exist isn't necessary either. For instance, if according to my morals as it...

When it say no choice is involved in having to or being forced to coexist, that's just the way it is, that's not a claim about morality or living together in harmony. That's a claim about the fact that we're born into a world of other people and we have no say so in that whatsoever. Coexisting...

Homo Sapiens. No vote or consensus is required as the bulk of it is NOT about choice but rather human nature. Their societies quite possibly aren't outliers when it comes to what is deemed moral. Human morality is a standard humans developed in many ways to govern coexistence among human...

No choice is involved in having to or being forced to coexist, that's just the way it is. Sharing and cooperating on the other hand requires a choice to be made and whatever that choice is will have consequences the chooser likely cannot control. No individual human in particular, just humanity...

Except virtually the entirety of scripture stands against your assertion. The new testament is full of imminent last day and end of the age proclamations specific to that generation. Jesus is quoted as saying that, Paul reaffirms it, John on Patmos bolsters the claim as well. To place the "last...

Not trying to answer the question posed. I just want to say that when I saw your name, I felt compelled to to let you know that on this forum, "we ride together, we die together." #BadAgnostics4Life

What About Modern Israel? It's important to take into account the topic at hand Jesus was discussing with his students both in Mark 13 as well as the parallel passage in Matthew 23 and 24. Recall the question posed to Jesus by his followers at the end of chapter 23 and realize that the things...

Now, please recall what God's messenger told Daniel in chp 9:14 and I've come to help you understand what will happen to your people in the last days, because this is a vision of the future. Then consider this: Paul's words in 1 Cor 10:11 11 Now, these things that happened to them are...

Human beings We appeal to our humanity (nature) and the fact that we are forced to share a reality to adjudicate human affairs of morality.

Why are you equating something you should do with "an objective moral ought?" What is an objective moral ought anyway? When I say what someone should or should not do, what mechanism am I using outside of my own preference to make that determination is what I hear you asking. Additionally, you...

Human morals aren't grounded in the social contract. They are grounded in our humanity and the fact that humans share a reality with other humans gives rise to the aforementioned social contract. Coexisting is not so much a desire as it is a requirement of being a human being on Earth. It is...

Well stated. I understand your points and they make a lot of sense. The idea that more specific prophecies could have a self-fulfilling aspect would leave an opening for skepticism is real, however, even with that being the reality if ALL prophecies happened exactly as predicted down to the nth...

Isolation would be the only reason why would think people wouldn't have to share. Aside from being isolated, we are forced to share space and that mandates a degree of cooperation that entails respecting the humanity of other humans less our own ability to increase the good is lessened...

Where did ToT ever invoke the need to "vote?" Are you trying to be slick again by adding in things that were never mentioned, you rascal? You choose to ignore the fact that by the necessity of us HAVING TO SHARE A REALITY WITH ONE ANOTHER, a social contract that dictates acceptable behavior is...

I'd imagine your question is actually 'why must we coexist peacefully'? If that is the question, then the answer is that we do not have to do so. However, not doing so has negative consequences for virtually everyone's health, safety, enjoyment, etc. because although we don't have to coexist...

Hi Matt, The definition of good being simplified to that which is generally desirable for human people may have more meet on its bones. In the Black Wall Street example above, as well as any involving mass murder, rape, enslavement, and the like, we must not act as if the "they" who wish to...

@Bobby Jo it seems that you are more inclined to fight for your dogma as opposed to what the scriptures actually assert.

It's not the collective we that was the problem but rather the fact that within the collective we of humanity there has been splintering causing the 'we' to become 'us' and 'them' where 'they' are not like 'us'. That becomes the rationalized justification groups of people considering themselves...

Sounds like you're being stubborn to me as I have yet to see you demonstrate how my description of how humans develop what we deem good and bad and how we apply moral judgments based on those things fail. That's why we stand at an impasse.

Please define what YOU MEAN by truly objectively wrong. When I say that something is wrong it should be obvious why base on ALLLLLLLL I have shared about the reasons for the whys. Again, the very concept of right and wrong exist because of PEOPLE assigning meaning to them. Morality, the...