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Don't be offended, but do realize that apostacy was to come...and if you believe what has been taught, you are not necessarily one of those that the warnings and the harsh words were meant for. But yes, Jesus said all that "must shortly take place" and I do not say "My master is delaying his...

I should let him answer.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” No water.

Yes. In other word... The Father said unto the Son "Sit as a Son of God beside me until I bring both my chosen of Israel and of all the nations under your care, and until your enemies are defeated."

:D I would summarize it in this way: Forum member "The Third One" has determined that Jesus left things well in hand to be soon on track with what He came preaching, but then Paul came in and bumped Peter out of lead position of building the church and introduced Pharisaic foundations...

Welcome MJ! Like the crazy world outside, this too is a strange but wonderful place. Best to read the Bible, find a bible-teaching church to attend, but let God guide you in spirit rather than trust in people and what they say. We are all broken, doing what we can (hopefully), while God works...

Moving is huge. My wife and I's own moving and retirement plans came about during the worst of times. Following the 2008 downturn in the economy, we had a choice of downsizing or succumbing to great financial losses, and also buying the business I worked for or loosing my job. We sold, bought...

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Okay--let's pray it catches on!

And you have done a thorough job. Why then would you leave out what Jesus, Peter, and Paul all warned about and foretold as fact regarding the "lie" and the "falling away" caused by "false teachers" promoting the belief that "My master is delaying his coming?"

OK, so if we work together we can do good things, be tremendous, and perhaps learn a lot?

Which is better: That we should step out and move over the ground before us, or wait for the ground to move under our feet? Well...it hardly matters. You see, while the ground before us may appear to be standing still, it is actually whirling through space at a pace we could not even keep up...

So you're saying, we're all far from tremendous and have a lot to learn? ;)

No, but what have you not seen?

Just as God has shown by image of Himself cast into man, that the bride was and is taken out of Him and returned to be One again, it includes the detail of many sons and the expanding of Himself to include many helpmates that He Himself should also expand His tent to prepare a place for us.

But not the another Jesus spoke of.

As I said, there has been no delay to all that was promised.

You had first accused Paul as being that "ANOTHER", that let "the cat out of the bag" about who Jesus was...when actually Jesus did too--so you have accused them both. And the high priest stood up in the midst and asked Jesus, saying, “Do You answer nothing? What is it these men testify against...

Well...you have nearly quoted verbatim the "lie" that was believed and foretold of by Jesus, Peter. and Paul. The error of which is not believing Jesus when He said otherwise. All of which is also written. The result of that lie that was believed came after it was propagated by "false...

No...but that is all (saying it nicely)--organic...not heavenly. It was and is never about what is best for us in this world. Which is not to say that it is not also good for us in this world--it certainly is--but just as Jesus said, "Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all...