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You just hit the nail on the head, two gods. And this is why I am not a trinitarian. This is why Jews will not become Christians. This is why people chose to be burned alive. People that are serious to the faith will not bow down to another god. And yes, I think someone is actually sitting...

lol bless your heart. i want to say something but then you would just use that to avoid the question again. ok so back to the question, the people that were burned alive for not believing in the trinity, did Jesus tell the church to murder those people?

umm no, the contradicting logic that you and the other guy refuse to address is not the bible, its mans attempt to make a a doctrine fit into the bible, the doctrine fails, they add another doctrine, wash and repeat. thats why it was 600 years after Jesus before they could ever get it right, and...

standing sitting, i dont see a difference. it sounds like splitting hairs, either way the hand belongs to the Father, not Jesus. beside me also means within, no elohim within me, if i was a trinitarian this would turn my world upside down because the trinity says there are in fact three gods...

then He is not a man. you are a man and you said it yourself you are not the Most High. red, brown, and black dogs are all dogs, the one dog that is cat and dog is not a dog, its a cat dog. this is what you dog examples is missing.

i dont see it that way. like i said in the other post, the right hand belongs to the Father and Jesus sits next to the Father at the Fathers right hand.

yes this is the Father speaking, and what does He say of the right hand, He says it is My right hand. the right hand belonngs to the Father Luke 22:69 But from now on the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the power of God.” Acts 7:56 And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened...

there is no way to explain it, it will never add up and i think you know that. if Jesus was a man, and the Most High, once you say He is the Most High then by default He is no longer a man because men are not the Most High. i know you understand this your just refusing to admit the mistake.

He sits at the Fathers right hand. does He sit at His own right hand?

now you know thats not what i said. what you cant do is say your animal is 100% dog and 100% cat. because if that were true the animal would be neither because all other cats and dogs are different, they are either 100 cat or 100 dog. if Jesus is 100% man and 100% Most High then all other men...

we had this exact conversation way back. the fact that people were burned alive doesnt seem to phase you which is really scary because it makes chills go down my spine thinking of that being done to anyone. you seem to want to ignore that it happened and go wayyyyyyyyyy out in to left field...

i know what it says and i didnt say the passage was wrong, but it does not explain what an arm is. this is what i was telling yu before. for that you have to insert an opinion. maybe your opinion is correct, but when we start making our opinions scripture it leads to great confusion and problems.

i still think the Father is the creator. the passage says "through" Him and "by" Him. if Jesus was the creator, and Jesus created all things alone, why can it not simply say Jesus created alone.

its a good argument, but these are symbolic / metaphoric / parable type passages. maybe your right, but passages like thse IMO are not the best to use as a foundation for a doctrine as the next guy will come along and claim he thinks it means something different or the passage may have multiple...

are you claiming the church never burned anyone alive?

then if your a man you must be the Most High.

I still think the Father is the creator. He is the ultimate source of the creation. The creation was done through a perfect image, Jesus, and through Jesus it was created. IMO and I could be wrong, I think the Father can create alone as a stand alone being, can Jesus, im not sure, Jesus Himself...

No, with respect I have to disagree. I dont believe its one and the same name. If it was He could have simply said “our” name. Jesus has a name: Matthew 24:5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. If one and the same He would have said name...

but Jesus was a man and He was the Most High. never heard that before

i believe all things were made through Jesus. the Father was the source of the creating power.