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Well, you and I were born in the flesh after Abraham, and yet: Eph 1:4, According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Maybe this verse and John 8:58 both mean something in God's foreknowledge? Could be.

Sure there is. It says nothing about a trinity. Just because it mentions three individuals doesn't make them one, a godhead, a substance, or whatever. Would you suggest that Daniel 2:49 makes Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego somehow one, a trinity? I assume not, but it is really the same...

I understand.

I never looked at the angle that we are not Jesus' children. We absolutely are not his children. We're his brothers and sisters. Good point!

I did get it wrong. It's the wolf that will lie with the lamb. A few other currently unlikely friendships will also come to pass. Isa 11:6, The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a...

Bummer! I was looking forward to hanging out with lions and lambs.

No need to be sorry. I agree with you, it certainly is easy to waste a lot of time in forums. I often regret the amount of time I waste.

The is no "the I am" anywhere in the scripture. You're inserting "the" where it isn't there. Read your own post. You brought up the crucifixion as though Jesus' crucifixion made him God. I'm just point out that crucifixion does not make anyone God. In the text. By Apostles, I assume you mean...

Several people in the Bible other than Jesus uttered the phrase, "ego eimi" (the Greek I am). I say it myself all the time and I hear it from others. Crucifixion was a common way to execute people in those days. Didn't make any of them God. The context of John 8 is relevant. There is no church...

Not sure why attending a Catholic school means I don't under stand the trinity doctrine. But I understand there are other "flavors" of the doctrine. Having studied the word for 50 years, I've seen that the phrase "son of God" is used some 50 times whereas the phrase "God the Son" is noticeably...

Thessalonians was written to and about the church of the Body, i.e. Christians. They have nothing to do with the events in Revelation. They will have been caught up into the clouds to be with Jesus (1 Thes 4:7). Note that Jesus does not come to the earth at this time. He will come after the 7...

Check out the first 5 verses of Philippians 2 for the context. Take special notice that all Christians are told to have the same mind as Jesus. So if he thought he was God, we should also? I don't think so. Again, context explains verses 6-8.

Rev 20:4, And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their...

Well, having taken 12 years of religion classes 5 days a week in a Catholic school, I do understand what the trinity doctrine teaches. But I can't help but see the "son of God" many times in the scriptures whereas there is nothing in them about a "God the Son." At some point I just decided to...

That's exactly my point. Jesus is not the Father. He's the son. Now couple that with 1 Cor 8:6 saying only the Father is God which would mean the son is not God. But I respect your belief.

Thanks for the kind words. I'll just say that I went to a Catholic school for 12 years where we had religion class 5 days a week. I'm very familiar with the trinity. I've just come to a point where I accept Jesus as the son of God and let it go at that. There is a world of difference between...

Oops, meant to say, " don't think even the staunchest Trinitarian would say Jesus is the Father." I'll correct the post. Thanks for the heads up!

All those verses can easily be understood in a non-trinitarian way, but I'm sure you've heard them all and have come to a decision on the matter. Let's wait until Jesus returns and we no longer see through a dark glass to continue the discussion. tsml

Yes, but it identifies who the one God is, namely, the Father. I don't think even the staunchest Trinitarian would say Jesus is the Father. Well, as you correctly pointed out, a comma could make the difference. I suspect you know that there was no punctuation whatsoever in the original Greek...

I'm not sure which Bible version you are quoting. Maybe the English Standard version? That is the only version I found that said Jesus upheld the "universe." About a dozen other versions I looked at, including the original Greek, say he upholds all "things." The question becomes what are those...