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It just means all Israel, not part of it. I know I just quoted one verse, but it would really help you to read the whole chapter to get the context.

Well, the earliest texts don't vary from the KJV, so there's no mistake in the Bible. I never really said what "all Israel" meant. I'm not sure why it would need a commentary. I assumed everyone knew the meaning of the words "all" and "Israel."

Read all of Romans 11, noting particularly, Rom 11:26, And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: All I did was quote that verse. How is that preaching a false Gospel? Is all Israel saved now? I...

I never meant to deny a second coming. If I did, it was unintentional. I fully believe in a second coming. It seems their is whole doctrine is built around the concept of a "spiritual Jew." Since, the actual term is nowhere to be found in the scripture, it must be inferred. The problem with...

The Jews or Gentiles can accept Jesus and be saved now. But if they don't God has another plan for them, which is outlined in Romans 11. Rom 11:26, And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: If...

Very true. It is in the present tense. That's precisely why this verse is using the prophetic future. as indicated by the fact that Jer 31:31 (or the whole chapter) has not come to pass. The purpose of the prophetic future figure of speech is to show the certainty of some future action. Ooops...

The new covenant mentioned in Jeremiah 31:31, which covenant will be made with Israel. I've also said multiple that it's obvious that the things that new covenant consist of is in the rest of that chapter, and as such it is clear that none of it has come to pass. I think I've been consistent in...

There is a figure of speech called the prophetic future where something future is spoken of as already having occurred. It was used extensively by the Jewish writers of the scriptures. It was used to express the certainty of some future event. We also use it. Your boss says do such and such and...

My claimed covenants? God put them in the Bible, not me. But to answer your question, Jesus was talking about the New Covenant mentioned in Jeremiah 31:31. Jesus was talking to Jews about Jewish matters (no Gentiles nor Christians at the table). I don't see God having made any other covenant...

What I meant by, "I think that God would say something about "spiritual Jews" was that God would use exactly those words. Of course He never does. Nor does He mention a "spiritual Christian Israel." I think that Revelation is about the Jews. It tells how all the promises in the OT about an...

Seems a lot better to be a spiritual man than a natural man. Glad I made the switch!

What is it about a literal translation that would say anything different than what you said? I'm not aware that a literal translation would discount either an application nor an interpretation. Sometimes I wonder if either side (literal/allegory) actually understands the premise of the other...

You're telling me you don't agree with every jot and tittle of what I say? How could such a thing be? I'm flabbergasted! Just kidding. hlo

I think you bring up some good things there. However, you kind of lose me by bringing up the word "spiritual" where it's not actually in the scriptures. Nonetheless I think those are good insights into harmonizing what at first appears to be totally opposite statements. As you said, God forbid...

No, not at all. Again I think that God would say something about "spiritual Jews" is such a thing existed. It would have a huge impact on doctrine. I don't see God making things complicated. He wants us to know Him, so I think He is a straight talker. He doesn't expect us to read between the...

Well, I'll repeat what I said before: "Where do you see anything about a New Covenant anywhere in Acts?" Notice the question mark. If you have a good answer, I may well change my mind. But as things stand now, the only place I see anything about a New Covenant is in Jeremiah 31:31 where a it...

I'm thinking it may be somewhat of a leap to add "spiritual" to the word "Israel." As far as I know, such a phrase is not anywhere in the scriptures. Given that it would have very huge implications regarding doctrine, I'd think God would have somewhere used the phrase "spiritual Israel" if He...

That, though very true, is a whole other discussion. No, God is not a racist. Maybe He could be called a "believerist" (:oops:) given that all He really ever wanted was for people to believe, to trust Him What was the context of me saying, "We're dealing with Israel?

You are right about the meaning of "church." I've been throwing around the word "church" for some time now. Perhaps I should have defined what a "church" actually is. It's really nothing more than a gathering of people for some specific purpose. In acts 19:32 a mob is called and "ekklesia."...

Now there's a good question. I don't know for sure about that. I do know that Rom 11:26 says all of Israel will be saved. Somehow the two have to fit. Sure can't have contradictions in God's word. I do see that Romans 9 is talking about events in the past (quoting Isaiah) whereas Romans 11 is...