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  1. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Having said I don't want to proceed any further, I'll take that back and try one more time to explain how I interpret scripture. I'll do it by way of example. I'm going to write a sentence in a second here. Before reading it, I just want to ask you if you think it will be a literal sentence or...
  2. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Whoa there! Let's back up. I've never said any given verse is literal. I've said multiple times that the scriptures are full of different figures of speech, including allegory. Not sure how you've missed that. With all due respect to you, I honestly don't want to proceed any further in this...
  3. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Sounds good to me. In fact, I think I've been saying just that all along. Just because something is literal doesn't automatically make it easy. I could be wrong, but suspect you might think that I take every word from Gen 1:1 to Rev 21:21 literally. Am I right in that suspicion? I believe...
  4. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Well, you gotta start somewhere. How do you do it? I certainly didn't mean to suggest it's always easy. If it were I'd understand every verse from Gen 1:1 to Rev 21:21. The scriptures say we have to be workmen, rightly dividing the word of truth. Wouldn't that suggest work? Work is not always...
  5. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Well, it seems to me there has to be some starting point. How do you do it? I didn't mean to suggest it's always easy. If it were so I'd perfectly understand every verse from Gen 1:1 to Rev 21:21, which I don't. I have many questions about some verses or sections.
  6. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    No. All of that is obviously true, but it not the whole story.
  7. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Premils do indeed employ the "literal/historical/grammatical method of understanding the Scriptures." However that in no way means that they deny the necessity of understanding which parts of the scripture are literal, figurative, poetic, symbolic, hyperbolic or Apocalyptic. I don't know any...
  8. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    An important fact indeed! Thanks for reminding me. sml
  9. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Great verses! Something to look forward to indeed! I wish it'd happen before I press the "Post reply" button, but we'll see it eventually. Good point. The earth will be renewed so as to be like the original creation where everything was " very good." The Hebrew word for "good" is "tov" which I...
  10. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    You are correct in what you say about the word we translate as everlasting. In fact the Hebrew word "olam" and several variations of that word can have different meanings depending on the context. For example, Genesis 21:33 calls Yahweh, "the olam God." I'd think in that case our understanding...
  11. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    How would these verses fit with all of that? Heb 11:13, These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. Heb 11:39, And these all...
  12. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    That's part of the reason, but the heart of their failure to recognize the Messiah is succinctly stated in Romans. Rom 11:8, (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. Just before...
  13. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Then why does Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, et.al. talk about Israel receiving an everlasting kingdom. They wrote some time after Joshua, so it wouldn't it seem they were talking about a promise that had not been fulfilled? A promise that was yet future? Notice all the "will" and "shall" in the...
  14. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Or I simply misunderstood. But God forbid I should be granted such grace. No, I have a comprehension problem and I willfully ignore others. C'mon, act like a brother who loves another brother. The 150+ promises of land and a kingdom God promised to Israel. The first promise was made to Abraham...
  15. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Might I suggest we all stop accusing each other of not replying to everything each of us says. It's well worn. We are all guilty of that, so no point in pointing fingers. The fact is there is only so much time and I think we all reply to that which we consider most relevant to the discussion...
  16. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    No need to get personal my friend. I read and understand what you said, but obviously I don't believe it. So what? You don't believe what I'm saying either. I wouldn't think that means you have a reading comprehension problem. The mystery has everything to do with underestimating the 1,000...
  17. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Well, I should have been more specific. Yes, Abraham's promise did include many nations. However, throughout the entire OT it was the Jews who were God's chosen people. As Galatians says, the Gentiles were without God and without hope. In other words, they were definitely not part of God's...
  18. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Well the Messiah was not at all hidden in the OT. The promise of a Messiah is all over the place in the OT. The mystery, however, was very much hidden. I think that is what your point b says. In the OT: Eph 2:11-12, 11 Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh...
  19. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    The mystery has everything to do with understanding God's plan for the ages. I understand you have no idea what I was talking about. But really it's not me you don't understand. It's the Apostle Paul you apparently don't understand. I just quoted a few verses of his. I humbly suggest you do some...
  20. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    My opinion is irrelevant. It's laid out pretty clearly in Paul's letters. The mystery that was kept secret until God revealed it to Paul says that there is no difference between the Jew and the gentile, that they are all one (Gal 3:28). It says that the Gentiles are fellowheirs with the Jews...