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You've done that which you accuse me of, i.e. sidestepping and not answering questions. Your answer does not address the questions I posed to you. How do you know the Gentiles in the OT weren't an allegory for the fallen angels? If all of Revelation is and allegory, why do you believe in a...

Is all of Revelation to be taken allegorically? If so, why do you believe in a real new heaven and earth? Couldn't that be talking about a new grand city built in the Amazon rain forest?

How do you know the Gentiles in the OT weren't an allegory for the fallen angels? And maybe Jesus didn't really come to the earth until the day of Pentecost and that he is still here, that the crucifixion was actually the day Columbus "discovered" America and he won't rise from the dead until...

I'll have to study that. As you said, there is much debate on the issue. Plus, remember I said a while ago that I don't understand everything in the Bible.

I guess I didn't, but I'll give it a go now. I don't know. It is unclear to me. It is certainly not as clear as God promising Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and others a land they could see with their eyes.

Isaiah 65:20 says people will still die, albeit they will live much longer lives. To me that sounds more like the 1,000 millennial kingdom than the everlasting kingdom. Rev 21:4, talking about the everlasting kingdom, says there will be no more death. Yes God made many promises to Israel that...

If that is true, then what is the justification for saying we are in the 1,000 year kingdom now. Could not someone else say that it occurred in the Days of Abraham, or Noah, or Moses and ended with Isaiah? It it's figurative what would prevent such a doctrine? Once we abandon the face value of...

Yes, there are such cases. As you say, there are figures of speech which are legitimate tools of grammar to emphasize something. But not every number in the Bible is a figure of speech. Sometimes they mean what they say. In order to rightly divide the word of truth, we must be careful not to...

Gen 13:14-15, 14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: 15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever...

Well you are onto somthing there. However, it's been 2,000 years since the events in Matthew and Mark. Since Satan was bound for 1,000 years (Rev 20:3), that would mean he was released in the 11th century. So between the 1st and 11th century Satan was bound? What changed during those thousand...

In some sense you may be right about that. But I don't see any reason to spiritualize the millennial kingdom in Rev 20. From reading Isaiah and other prophets it would appear that the kingdom will be a very real, concrete kingdom. There will be real people who will build houses, plant gardens...

Don't you think the millennial kingdom comes after Satan is bound? Rev 20:1-3, 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a...

I'm sure ready for Jesus to come back. It'd be nice if you are right about that. You got me to thinking and I remember reading this: Rev 9:18, By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. It says only...

Rev 20:7-9, 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. 9 And they...

Scripture? :) Why do you ask?

I looked through the whole thread and was surprised not to see a few verses from Romans, Corinthians, and Thessalonians that are very relevant to the discussion. It should be noted that these three books are specifically written to born again Christians. Paul is explaining what will happen to...

You're right about that. Got you mixed up with someone else. But I did say this to you for sure: "Honestly, I don't know what more to say to you about this. Maybe some other subject, some other time." Instead of accepting my desire to graciously end this conversation, you use those words in a...

Yes, it is better to handle a couple of verses at a time. Good idea! :) That Greek word is also used in a couple of verses where one man "worships" another man. Matt 18:26, The servant therefore fell down, and worshiped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. Rev...

I guess you missed my post asking for explainations of the many verses I gave you instead of just throwing more verses at me?

As opposed to several "hard quotes" that say Jesus is a man as well as a "hard quote" that says God is not a man? That doesn't mean anything to you? Honestly, I don't know what more to say to you about this. Maybe some other subject, some other time.