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How can I understand what isn't logical?

No.

Lol, irresistible grace. Too bad it's not in the Bible.

You said: "And since we know that God has not declared all men without exception to be not guilty, free from guilt, and announced righteous, then its settled that Christ did not represent all men without exception in His Life and death of the cross. He simply did not die for all men without...

I never said that. Quite making stuff up.

More Calvinistic nonsense. Yes, God can further harden a hard heart (meaning strengthen its resolve) God speaks everything into existence. He never says he manipulates all events in our lives however, that's a false idea that comes from secular philosophy, Aristotle's unmoved mover, for example...

Then, chances are, he didn't die for you.

These were God's chosen people, yes, and they still used their freedom to rebel against him. I never said God could not and did not work out his plan through them despite that disobedience. God stated what he desired them to be, says he did everything possible, and they still didn't produce the...

If it doesn't equate to being dragged, then we can resist. And you are focused on one or two verses while ignoring the verses that teach that we have to do something, we have to learn. We have to believe. Seems you idolize a deterministic version of God so much you can't see any other possibility.

Yes he told them to believe. It doesn't matter how good the teacher is if the students refuse to learn. Which Israel did repeatedly according to God. Again you twist it backwards. Isaiah 5:4 What more could have been done for my vineyard than I have done for it? When I looked for good grapes...

Scripture never says he couldn't have been saved. Calvinist read everything backwards.

Everything. Being raised up is conditional on continuing to follow God. Non believers will not be raised up to heaven. Being drawn doesn't equate to being dragged.

You denying the plain meaning of verses is confusing.

"Every one that hath heard from the Father, and hath learned, cometh unto me." And it says they all shall be taught by God. Obviously, not all choose to learn.

How's that theory work in real life? God gives all a conscience. Lots of people feel guilt for sin but never come to Jesus and God doesn't blame himself, he blames them. Why, if they can't do otherwise?

A person under conviction isn't yet saved. Some churches used to have mourning benches for seekers. Have you never seen someone under obvious conviction resist? The Spirit isn't irresistible. I must have sat through 100 alter calls and always resisted.

I don't recall anyone teaching me that interpretation. I've read it elsewhere, but it was obvious to me before that.

No they really didn't. They just wanted the miracles. Kinda like a health and wealth gospel. Not a "take up your cross" gospel.

Just like pharaoh. He hardened his heart first, and then God hardened him farther so he could use him to free israel. "Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has...

Yes, those not given didn't learn from the Father as they could have. He was speaking to the Jews who had the Torah. Why would he tell them this if they were incapable of believing? Why would he reportedly tell them to believe if that was all already pre destined?