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You miss the point. I have had calvinists tell me God can only know what he decrees. And since they believe he decrees all, that's what they base his omniscience on. I say God just knows due to being himself.

Calvinism. First found somewhat in Augustine's writings. Before that, there's no hint of it. And it wasn't really a common doctrine until Luther and Calvin from what I've read.

I came to this conclusion from reading the book. I never just read a few verses and leave the rest of the book out. I feel a lot of sects do that, especially the Catholics. You should read it without your Catholic suppositions. I'm sure they had problems with everything he said there, but the...

Which is kinda what prevenient grace is. I agree that the person seeking isn't regenerated. We always just called it conviction in the wesleyan type churches.

I think you just confirmed that prevenient grace is real. Wasn't that what you were arguing against?

Again you are just embracing contradictions and saying two opposites are true. God is revealing himself through his actions in response to our actions, yes. That's what happens constantly in scripture. Having influences on us doesn't somehow cancel out the freedom to choose between options. You...

Because that's not omniscience. It's just knowing what he's going to cause to happen. I can do that. Besides which, if God caused men to be so evil he had to wipe them off the earth, he would hardly be saying he grieved about it. That would make God schizophrenic.

Which is the same as God causing it. You want to have your cake and eat it too. How can it be a free will choice if God is causing it to happen in the same way he spoke all creation into existence? That's like saying the earth has a free will choice to be created or not.

Scripture says otherwise, as you have been shown numerous times. Does God save those who don't believe in him? Ever?

Yes, but so does every other Christian sect. The form of predestination you are teaching was not something that was common throughout church history.

Jesus was always God. "Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am !”

God does 100 percent of the work of salvation. He just has a condition before he will do that work. Our faith doesn't merit salvation, but God chose to save on that basis.

It's what you are teaching. Others have explained it better perhaps, but it's the same thing. It's part of the calvinists tulip.

That's impossible in your world where God causes everything.

None of us knows how God's foreknowledge works. But events aren't " things." Events have multiple causes. God doesn't claim to cause sin for example. There's things he does say he causes, but he's not the sole cause in a world with free will people and fallen angels.

Of course I manipulate them. My characters have no real freedom. Everything they do is my doing. God doesn't claim this,... just the opposite when it comes to Israel. He says they did things he never thought of.

Why would it confuse Paul's argument? God knew what pharaoh would do. He didn't have to cause his initial hardening to use pharaohs rebellion for good, same as with Israel.

Because he says he desires salvation for all.

Well if I was calvinist, I would say the hard saying was that no one can come to the father unless drawn. But I don't believe that's it. And it wasn't JUST believing in him. It was WHAT he told them to believe. What had Jesus said that they considered a “hard saying” (v.60)? Catholics say they...

We all are in the world are we not? You are confusing that reality with each person's current spiritual state. We come out from the world in a spiritual sense but we are still in the world which is under the sway of Satan.