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I posted the question and you were afraid to answer it, so now you want me to look it up and post it again...no fair. I think you are stalling...I've have seen this exact scenario many times before. Either answer it or don't.

The one you were supposidly answering. If you want to answer it, you will go and find it and not charge me with that task, if not, you won't .

No it was no answer at all, it was a talk around a direct answer like I've seen many times, but as I said, no pressure, you don't have to answer them. Thanks just the same.

Your answer indicated you misunderstood. But that dodges both questions completly. Here, take a second look and read them carfully if you would please, and try to anwer them this time, if you just found you cannot answer, that's fine, just ignore the post.

What exactly in that scripture leads you to believe it was not saving faith they had? And why would and how could one depart a non saving faith as you are essentually claiming?

That wasn't what I was asking, are you making up what you're posting here as you go?

Are you making this up as you go?

The great loss, and the money spent, this is very sad, and so dissapointing for you, yet you keep a good attitude....amazing. I'm sorry for this burden you carry, and pray for a solution for you.

Yet you admit they depart from the faith. Thanks again.

Then you are saying they only had temporary faith from the get go, and if it was tempory, that naturally means they departed from it. They had it temporarily then left it. So by sheer mistake no doubt, you agree they departed their temporary faith, that was faith nonetheless. Or in short, they...

Where is your proof it was never firmly rooted? And as I was fixing to post this, I came up with a duplicate of what I was just about to post? Thanks, Cooper. Dan, as you are making these things up, you need to create something that does not leave obvios tracks that lead to those things...

Is that a conclusion you drew on your own, and if not, will you please show me the site you got it from? a·pos·ta·sy /əˈpästəsē/ noun the abandonment or renunciation of a religious or political belief. How can we have "apostolic faith", when apostacy means we have no faith because we fell...

I understand. Are you now going to answer the question?

Then you are saying they departed from the religion of Christianity and an outward profession of adhering to the faith of Christianity. Now, will you please prove your claim? What reason have you to believe, that is the type faith, and it's not just faith period, as Christ presented it.

True, and thanks, a refreshing reply is always welcome.

Be interesting to see what you all do with this scripture. And remember, Jesus is watching, and knows when we can see the truth, and when we are blatantly changing scripture in order to hide the truth for our own benefit. :) Can someome please tell me what is meant by "depart from the faith" in...

Lol, you didn't answer that one either, but I think we both know the answer to both questions. However there comes a point when we can see one is in denial, so all we can do is plant the seed, and it either grows or withers from lack of attention.

That is fine, but why is that preventing you from answering a simple question on the scripture?

Yes he did die for our sins. No one says those sins cannot be for forgiven, if one repents, but the lack of repentance poses a real problem with ones salvation. There are sins of temptation, as in they passed a joint around and you took a toke. You didnt plan on being in such a situation, but...

I just needed a direct and simple anwer to the question, please..