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Correct, and thank you for answering the question honestly.

There were no assumptions, just claiming things that were not written in the bible, and instead of simply admitting that was a fact I got that prophecy mess that made no sense at all.

Ok, its clear by your evasion of the question that you are completely aware he "fell away" from salvation. To answer it truthfully would mean admitting we can lose salvation, the very reason you won't answer no matter how many times I ask. So my point has been made, and thanks for your patience.

I haven't sent you a single message...no idea what is meant by that. It was no guess, it was what you said, no mind reading necessary. Things were being made up, and it had nothing to do with prophecies, whatever that meant..Christ simply did not say those things. Clearly you are offended I...

The fact you don't think he ever had eternal life is why I asked the question. The verse follows, and I'll ask once more then give up, what did he "fall away" from? Mathew 13:21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word...

im referring to the question in post 455, on the scripture/parable of the sower we were just discussing

It's in post 455.

A simple answer the question. But if you'd rather not, that's ok....thanks just the same.

You arent going to answer the question, are you?

Read the last two words in that scripture, and tell me what you think he "fell away" from?

You added the part about that having nothing to do with merits, as the scripture you mentioned says nothing about that. For all we know, I mean if we are making things up and adding to the scripture, the lord is "able to keep" us in a state where we will have the necessary merits.

I'm refuting that by usung the parable of the sower, so if youd like to see why I think you are wrong, check it out if you like. I mean if it had nothing to do with his merits, he would not have lost his salvation....but he did

The contradiction didnt jump right out at me, could you please explain?

Thank you. :)

Where in that scripture does Christ say that?

You have absolutely no reason to believe the "no root" meant he didnt have full conversion, you are assuming that, when Christ did not go into any of it. He had conversion, and that's what mattered. There was also no reason for you to claim his heart and spirit had not changed, no reason at all...

Lets just hope he held on till the end, and I have no good reason to believe he didnt.

Following is a piece from the parable of the Sower, and it shows a genuine convert who fell away from salvation, something that disagrees fully with what you are telling me. I would think that if you believed in Christ, you would believe what he is saying in the parable, but lets see what...

Tell me, can you live in sin and remain saved? As understand it, OSAS can do just that. However, non OSAS cannot live in willful sin as a lifestyle without eventually losing salvation, and that is the difference beetween the two.

It would definitely seem likely.