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I have had the feeling for some time that to argue with Marcus and ATP is a waste of effort. However I have persevered because other forum members can see the truth of the Prophetic Word presented. But now, I know from the last few posts, that you do not even read what I write properly, you seem...

ATP, Do you agree that Revelation 7:1-8 happens on earth? Read verses 1-3 carefully; that is an earthly scene for the selection of the 144,000. Rev 7:9 After this, I looked and saw a great multitude .....standing before the Throne.....in white robes and holding palm branches. There doesn't seem...

I hope Wormwood will answer too, but it is the prophet Amos who gives the best answer: Note in Amos 1 & 2; The Lord will roar from Zion.....and the Land will be dried up.....I will send fire to Damascus.....Gaza....Tyre.....Edom....Ammon....Judah. Then Amos 2:6-8 mentions the judgement of the...

I DO NOT DO THAT.

Yes Marcus, I know my posts fall on deaf ears. You and all who believe in false theories have had their ears stopped and their eyes blinded, by God because you have chosen to believe unscriptural ideas like the rapture to heaven. I will show again how the one holy people of God are separated at...

KingJ, I assume your name means you are a King James Version only believer? All very well, but be aware that the KJV has many church doctrines of that day inserted and King James himself made sure his prerogatives were upheld. That Bible is dedicated to him. Newer versions may also have...

Most people will understand God's plans only after the Lord's Day of wrath: Before the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath; Revelation 3:3 If you don’t wake up, I will come upon you like a thief and you won’t know the moment of My coming. Deuteronomy 29:4 But to this day, the Lord has not given...

I am judged intolerant by a person who demonstrates his intolerance in every post he makes. Isn't 78 scriptures that prove the Church is Israel and what will happen in the last days, sufficient? ATP, you say Israel is located in Israel. It is the Jewish people who live there and only about...

I will conclude that the Seals, Trumpets, and Bowls come in sequential order as just stated, and do not act in parallel.​ Quote Marcus This I agree with and has always been my belief. Mixing them up as Gundry does is wrong and is usually done to fit in a false teaching. Which is what Marcus...

StanJ, I have written plenty about God's plans for our future. I have spent years carefully studying all of the Prophetic Word. Would you like me to post a million words here? I try to keep the message short and if verses I use don't seem to you to prove my point, maybe that is because you view...

But you cannot make them out to be the same group of people, as the ones in Rev 7 are before the Great Trib and on earth, Rev 19:1 are in heaven for the marriage supper and are gathered as per Matthew 24:31 to be with Jesus during His Millennium reign. What is obvious, is that only as the Sixth...

I agree with Gundry that Rev 7:15-18 pertains to the time after the Return of Jesus, but not the verses before that. The whole chapter happens on earth. The Seventh Seal IS just a time gap. Nothing more, nothing less. Saying it includes the 7 Trumpets or anything else is just surmise and is wrong.

Rev 19:1 does say there will be people in heaven. But as we know heaven is a spiritual place and can be anywhere, including on earth, as Ezekiel saw. As verse 9 goes on to say these are the people who were invited to the wedding feast of the Lamb, which as Paul says in 1 Thess 4:17 are people...

I completley and utterly disagree with the premise above. The Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath is just what all the prophets say it will be - one Day. It happens at the Sixth Seal and then the world can slowly recover. The secular survivors will establish a One World Govt, but all who kept...

Its the rapture that's false. 1 Thess 4 does NOT say anything about a rapture removal to heaven. Obviously you don't really read what I post; there are two Days of the Lord. The first is the Day of vengeance and wrath, when He comes in fire and judges/ punishes the nations. The second is His...

Because you and the others don't like being corrected with the real truth of scripture, you object to my posts. I post with confidence and the sure knowledge of the truth of the Prophetic Word. If that sounds condescending, I'm not sorry, just sad that people feel that way when confronted with...

You are only trying to parallel the Seals with the Olivet D. Marcus attempts to do it with all the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls. I see the Sixth Seal in Matthew 24:21-22. The cosmic effects of the Sixth Seal are far more than Matthew 24:29 That verse pertains to the Return of Jesus, as per verse 30.

They are all different events, written differently and placed in the sequence of their completion. It all awaits future fulfillment. Rev 8:1 - the Seventh Seal is just a time gap of a half hour in heaven, that calculates out to 'about' 20 years of earth time.

FYI, I am 74 an do not need glasses. I agree that Rev 6,7,8,9 are chronological. But then that doesn't fit exactly with the Olivet D. I see Jesus giving details on various things there, things that we can see where they fit from what He said. Thinking that Matthew 24:28 is a reference to a...

As Jesus asserted, there is only one people of God. John 10:16, John 17:22-23, and Paul as well said it in Romans 9:6-8, Ephesians 2:11- 18, Ephesians 4:4-6 I amply support my POV, but for those whom God has blinded and made incapable of understanding, Isaiah 42:19-20, only as the end time...