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  1. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    We are just not given enough information to be sure what Paul meant in that 'harparzo'. It may have something to do with the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, during the extra 30 days that Daniel 12:11 mentions. What it is NOT, is a removal to heaven. Re John 14:1-4, You raptureists love to trot...
  2. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    No, I do not agree with any rapture to heaven. What happens in Rev. 12 at the mid trib, is protection for those righteous people, on earth. Because we have a different view of what the next prophesied event will be and how the last Days will unfold, let alone who exactly who are the Lord's...
  3. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    ATP, the Church, that is all righteous individual believers ARE Israel. The NT makes that clear; Ephesians 2:11-18, Romans 9:6 The Sixth Seal is the next prophesied event. It is our test; 1 Cor. 3:13-15 During the 3.5 year period of the Great Trib, the 'woman' that is; righteous Israel, will...
  4. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    I am not saying that the meet and greet of Jesus at His Return is false, what it ISN'T is a rapture to heaven. Realize that we Christians ARE Israelites. The Rapture Cult believes that Jesus failed in His stated mission to redeem Israel, but they follow in the Roman Catholic error that believes...
  5. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    So you plan to remain in the clouds forever? I suggest you give up your foolish notions and try to understand what the Bible does say God's plans for His people really are. Read Psalm 91 for starters. I Shall set My Laws in your hearts Hebrews 8:10 This verse from the New Testament, is a quote...
  6. keras

    New York Stock Exchange.

    What rubbish to post on a prophecy forum! Is God interested in Americas financial woes?
  7. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    1 Thess 4:17 says; we will be with the Lord forever. Tell me where the Lord is coming to and will be forever. Now, perhaps you would like to discuss the OP, because you are going to experience the Day of His wrath, along with everyone else alive on that Day. This is why I posted the OP, we...
  8. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    Once we have our resurrected bodies at first resurrection, we will be able to dwell with God in heaven. Quote ATP Why? Jesus will be reigning on earth then. There is actually no sense in a rapture to heaven. We are earth people, we have tasks to do here Get over it; the rapture theory is a...
  9. keras

    Iran Deal: Peace and Safety?

    The biggest difficulty in getting to the truth for the average Christian, is because of time constraints, they rely on their pastors, teachers and from the many books out now. Pastors are taught at seminaries and their focus is on salvation and right living. Very little on prophecy and because...
  10. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    As Jesus is on His way down to earth for His Millennium reign, I call the 'harparzo' a meet and greet scenario. You have yet to show a scripture saying we go to heaven. I provide 2 that say we don't; John 3:13, John 17:15
  11. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    I have a Bible, no need to type out scriptures, especially when they don't prove your point anyway. They all say Jesus is coming down to earth and the 1 Cor 15 quote refers to the dead being raised as in Rev. 20:4. If a rapture to heaven is all you have been taught, by people you trust, then I...
  12. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    In Matthew 24:29-31, Jesus is coming to reign on earth for 1000 years. The saints killed for their faith are resurrected. There is no rapture there, or anywhere else. Unless you can present a scripture that actually says people will be taken to heaven, the rapture theory remains false teaching...
  13. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    Sun signs- at the Day of wrath, first; 7 times brighter; Isaiah 30:26, then darkened by the approaching CME mass. at the Return, both sun and moon darkened. Moon signs- DoW, blood red, caused by the superheated hydrogen of this CME striking the moon Return, no light. Stars - DoW, falling like...
  14. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    ATP you have mixed up verses from the Day of the Lord's wrath with the Return in glory. Is the Return a 'dreadful Day? Only Matthew 24:29-31 refers to the Return, the rest are the forthcoming Day of wrath against the nations. Isaiah 63:1-6, Hab. 3:12 Re a rapture, what the Lord has promised is...
  15. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    No mention of any kind of removal of anyone at the Sixth Seal. That Day will come upon everyone in the world. Rev 6:15, Luke 21:35 I expect that terrible Day any time soon. The Lord promises protection for His people; all who call upon His Name. Acts 2:21 However it will come on an Appointed...
  16. keras

    Iran Deal: Peace and Safety?

    I take James 3:1 very seriously. Only as the last Days events unfold, will we really know God's Plans. His prophets have given us much information and we have modern knowledge, and the benefit of hindsight, plus the facts of the current world situation. All together, with logic and common sense...
  17. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    Sorry, my mistake, I meant the first four feasts are fulfilled. Trumpets, Atonement and Tabernacles are the three fall feasts that all remain to be fulfilled.
  18. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    Actually the first five feasts are fulfilled. Pentecost in Acts 2. The next is Yom Teruah, only 3 weeks away. Fulfillment in 2015? Many people think it's possible! Your 4 quotes that you think prove a rapture, make me laugh. NONE of them say anything about people today going to heaven. The...
  19. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    OK, ATP. I have learned that with other Christians who have the same grip onto the rapture theory as you do; there is nothing I can say, no verses refuting it that I present, no proofs of the truth of God's plans, will ever make them even consider it won't happen. So refuting it just causes...
  20. keras

    The Wrath of the Lord

    Quite right, we are under His PROTECTION. John 17:15 The 3 scriptures you quote in #23 DO NOT say the Lord is going to take anyone to heaven. This whole issue of 'rapture to heaven or protection on earth', has been well gone over on another thread. Simply stated, there are a lot of verses about...